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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
    wrote on last edited by Mik
    #2775

    Exactly. We've added a carrot when we should have stuck with the stick. But the carrot is tempting the west, not Russia.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • RenaudaR Offline
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      Renauda
      wrote on last edited by Renauda
      #2776

      The carrot is of the Trump Administration's own making and imagination. It holds little, if any, credibility outside of a few minds in Washington and Budapest. The Kremlin however immensely enjoys the black humour of the tragicomedy theatre it offers.

      Elbows up!

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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by
        #2777

        While Russia is exempted from the current round of Trump tariffs, its stock market is crashing like every other bourse. The drop in oil prices must really hurt.

        https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/04/05/russian-markets-reel-from-trump-tariffs-oil-price-collapse-a88618

        Despite all, don’t expect the Kremlin to become more accommodating or any less bellicose in pursuing its war against Ukraine.

        Elbows up!

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        • MikM Offline
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          Mik
          wrote on last edited by
          #2778

          He does seem rather committed.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
            wrote on last edited by Jolly
            #2779

            The good news is that Germany looks like they may actually be getting serious about their defense forces.

            Putin like to ponder on the glory days of the Soviet Union. Doubt it would come anywhere near that, but I wonder if he wishes to ponder on Operation Unthinkable?

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              The good news is that Germany looks like they may actually be getting serious about their defense forces.

              Putin like to ponder on the glory days of the Soviet Union. Doubt it would come anywhere near that, but I wonder if he wishes to ponder on Operation Unthinkable?

              RenaudaR Offline
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              Renauda
              wrote on last edited by
              #2780

              @Jolly

              Don’t let it keep you awake.

              Elbows up!

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              • MikM Offline
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                Mik
                wrote on last edited by
                #2781

                Interesting take on Ukraine.

                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-has-a-resource-far-more-valuable-than-minerals/ar-AA1CsqM7

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • W Offline
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                  Wim
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #2782

                  An unexpected scenario?

                  https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/04/08/how-trumps-backfiring-trade-war-could-crash-putins-economy-a88654

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                  • jon-nycJ Online
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                    jon-nyc
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                    #2783

                    I’ll take it.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    • W Offline
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                      Wim
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #2784

                      Say thank you when we rob you...

                      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/12/us-demands-control-from-ukraine-of-key-pipeline-carrying-russian-gas

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                      • RenaudaR Offline
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                        Renauda
                        wrote on last edited by Renauda
                        #2785

                        Extortion by military or economic means appears to be a foreign policy tactic shared by the Kremlin and current White House.

                        Elbows up!

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                          AndyD
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                          #2786

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                          • W Offline
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                            Wim
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #2787

                            Either shut up or...

                            https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/13/ukraine-civilian-deaths-sumy-attack-russia-us-talks-trump-putin-analysis

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                            • jon-nycJ Online
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                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #2788

                              Only non-witches get due process.

                              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                              • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                                Doctor Phibes
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #2789

                                Everybody's to blame.

                                Everybody except Trump, presumably.

                                I was only joking

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                                • RenaudaR Offline
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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                  #2790

                                  Par for the Trump course.

                                  He does not get it. Doubtful that he ever will either. Inept.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • 89th8 Offline
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                                    89th
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #2791

                                    What an odd comment "Biden could've stopped it. Zelenskyy could've stopped it."

                                    Umm, yeah pretty sure if he coulda...he woulda.

                                    That being said, the video clearly says Trump says Putin started it and I think his latter comment about "if you start a war" was a sloppy way of saying Zelenskyy essentially allowed the war to start. Which is a lazy summary of events.

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                                    • MikM Offline
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                                      Mik
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #2792

                                      Lazy seems to be a defining characteristic.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        Doctor Phibes
                                        wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                                        #2793

                                        I think "lazy" is quite a charitable interpretation of what Trump said.

                                        I was only joking

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                                        • 89th8 89th

                                          What an odd comment "Biden could've stopped it. Zelenskyy could've stopped it."

                                          Umm, yeah pretty sure if he coulda...he woulda.

                                          That being said, the video clearly says Trump says Putin started it and I think his latter comment about "if you start a war" was a sloppy way of saying Zelenskyy essentially allowed the war to start. Which is a lazy summary of events.

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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                          #2794

                                          @89th said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                          What an odd comment "Biden could've stopped it. Zelenskyy could've stopped it."

                                          Umm, yeah pretty sure if he coulda...he woulda.

                                          That being said, the video clearly says Trump says Putin started it and I think his latter comment about "if you start a war" was a sloppy way of saying Zelenskyy essentially allowed the war to start. Which is a lazy summary of events.

                                          It’s also possible (albeit remote) that Trump is beginning to realise that all along Putin has been playing him for the Muggins he really is on the world stage of diplomacy and conflict resolution.

                                          As any self deifying narcissist would do, Trump is lashing out and laying blame on everyone else other than himself for what amounts to his own ineptitude.

                                          So yeah, sloppy thinking is at play here. Big time sloppy thinking.

                                          Elbows up!

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