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    xenon
    wrote on last edited by
    #2768

    So… back to what Zelensky was saying in the White House. How do you trust anything Putin says?

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    • X xenon

      So… back to what Zelensky was saying in the White House. How do you trust anything Putin says?

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      Wim
      wrote on last edited by
      #2769

      @xenon Pretty obvious: not at all.

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      • MikM Offline
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        Mik
        wrote on last edited by
        #2770

        You have to go with the assumption of deceit, then try from there to figure out what is real.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          jon-nyc
          wrote on last edited by
          #2771

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            Renauda
            wrote on last edited by
            #2772

            @jon-nyc

            “There’s no place [in the U.S. plans] for our main demand today, which is resolving problems related to the root causes of this conflict,” he said.

            Russian officials have repeatedly invoked the term “root causes,” which Putin said last June include Ukraine withdrawing from the partially Ukrainian regions and abandoning its NATO bid.

            https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/04/01/russia-cannot-accept-us-ceasefire-proposal-in-ukraine-deputy-fm-says-a88564

            Elbows up!

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              Mik
              wrote on last edited by
              #2773

              Tease the ceasefire enough and people will come to want it more and be willing to surrender more to get it.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                Renauda
                wrote on last edited by
                #2774

                I doubt very much the Kremlin will be willing to surrender any of its stated terms.

                Elbows up!

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                • MikM Offline
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                  Mik
                  wrote on last edited by Mik
                  #2775

                  Exactly. We've added a carrot when we should have stuck with the stick. But the carrot is tempting the west, not Russia.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    Renauda
                    wrote on last edited by Renauda
                    #2776

                    The carrot is of the Trump Administration's own making and imagination. It holds little, if any, credibility outside of a few minds in Washington and Budapest. The Kremlin however immensely enjoys the black humour of the tragicomedy theatre it offers.

                    Elbows up!

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                      Renauda
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #2777

                      While Russia is exempted from the current round of Trump tariffs, its stock market is crashing like every other bourse. The drop in oil prices must really hurt.

                      https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/04/05/russian-markets-reel-from-trump-tariffs-oil-price-collapse-a88618

                      Despite all, don’t expect the Kremlin to become more accommodating or any less bellicose in pursuing its war against Ukraine.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • MikM Offline
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                        Mik
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #2778

                        He does seem rather committed.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          Jolly
                          wrote on last edited by Jolly
                          #2779

                          The good news is that Germany looks like they may actually be getting serious about their defense forces.

                          Putin like to ponder on the glory days of the Soviet Union. Doubt it would come anywhere near that, but I wonder if he wishes to ponder on Operation Unthinkable?

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            The good news is that Germany looks like they may actually be getting serious about their defense forces.

                            Putin like to ponder on the glory days of the Soviet Union. Doubt it would come anywhere near that, but I wonder if he wishes to ponder on Operation Unthinkable?

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                            Renauda
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #2780

                            @Jolly

                            Don’t let it keep you awake.

                            Elbows up!

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                              Mik
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #2781

                              Interesting take on Ukraine.

                              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-has-a-resource-far-more-valuable-than-minerals/ar-AA1CsqM7

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                Wim
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #2782

                                An unexpected scenario?

                                https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/04/08/how-trumps-backfiring-trade-war-could-crash-putins-economy-a88654

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                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #2783

                                  I’ll take it.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                    Wim
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #2784

                                    Say thank you when we rob you...

                                    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/12/us-demands-control-from-ukraine-of-key-pipeline-carrying-russian-gas

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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                      #2785

                                      Extortion by military or economic means appears to be a foreign policy tactic shared by the Kremlin and current White House.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                        AndyD
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                                        #2786

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                                          Wim
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #2787

                                          Either shut up or...

                                          https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/13/ukraine-civilian-deaths-sumy-attack-russia-us-talks-trump-putin-analysis

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