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The Ukraine war thread

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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
    #2770

    You have to go with the assumption of deceit, then try from there to figure out what is real.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • jon-nycJ Online
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      jon-nyc
      wrote on last edited by
      #2771

      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      • RenaudaR Offline
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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by
        #2772

        @jon-nyc

        “There’s no place [in the U.S. plans] for our main demand today, which is resolving problems related to the root causes of this conflict,” he said.

        Russian officials have repeatedly invoked the term “root causes,” which Putin said last June include Ukraine withdrawing from the partially Ukrainian regions and abandoning its NATO bid.

        https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/04/01/russia-cannot-accept-us-ceasefire-proposal-in-ukraine-deputy-fm-says-a88564

        Elbows up!

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        • MikM Offline
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          Mik
          wrote on last edited by
          #2773

          Tease the ceasefire enough and people will come to want it more and be willing to surrender more to get it.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • RenaudaR Offline
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            Renauda
            wrote on last edited by
            #2774

            I doubt very much the Kremlin will be willing to surrender any of its stated terms.

            Elbows up!

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            • MikM Offline
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              Mik
              wrote on last edited by Mik
              #2775

              Exactly. We've added a carrot when we should have stuck with the stick. But the carrot is tempting the west, not Russia.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • RenaudaR Offline
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                Renauda
                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                #2776

                The carrot is of the Trump Administration's own making and imagination. It holds little, if any, credibility outside of a few minds in Washington and Budapest. The Kremlin however immensely enjoys the black humour of the tragicomedy theatre it offers.

                Elbows up!

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                • RenaudaR Offline
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                  Renauda
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #2777

                  While Russia is exempted from the current round of Trump tariffs, its stock market is crashing like every other bourse. The drop in oil prices must really hurt.

                  https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/04/05/russian-markets-reel-from-trump-tariffs-oil-price-collapse-a88618

                  Despite all, don’t expect the Kremlin to become more accommodating or any less bellicose in pursuing its war against Ukraine.

                  Elbows up!

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    Mik
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #2778

                    He does seem rather committed.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • JollyJ Offline
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                      Jolly
                      wrote on last edited by Jolly
                      #2779

                      The good news is that Germany looks like they may actually be getting serious about their defense forces.

                      Putin like to ponder on the glory days of the Soviet Union. Doubt it would come anywhere near that, but I wonder if he wishes to ponder on Operation Unthinkable?

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • JollyJ Jolly

                        The good news is that Germany looks like they may actually be getting serious about their defense forces.

                        Putin like to ponder on the glory days of the Soviet Union. Doubt it would come anywhere near that, but I wonder if he wishes to ponder on Operation Unthinkable?

                        RenaudaR Offline
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                        Renauda
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #2780

                        @Jolly

                        Don’t let it keep you awake.

                        Elbows up!

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          Mik
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #2781

                          Interesting take on Ukraine.

                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-has-a-resource-far-more-valuable-than-minerals/ar-AA1CsqM7

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • W Offline
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                            Wim
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #2782

                            An unexpected scenario?

                            https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/04/08/how-trumps-backfiring-trade-war-could-crash-putins-economy-a88654

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                            • jon-nycJ Online
                              jon-nycJ Online
                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #2783

                              I’ll take it.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

                              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                              • W Offline
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                                Wim
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #2784

                                Say thank you when we rob you...

                                https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/12/us-demands-control-from-ukraine-of-key-pipeline-carrying-russian-gas

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                                • RenaudaR Offline
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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                  #2785

                                  Extortion by military or economic means appears to be a foreign policy tactic shared by the Kremlin and current White House.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                    AndyD
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                                    #2786

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                                    • W Offline
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                                      Wim
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #2787

                                      Either shut up or...

                                      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/13/ukraine-civilian-deaths-sumy-attack-russia-us-talks-trump-putin-analysis

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                                      • jon-nycJ Online
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                                        jon-nyc
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #2788

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

                                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                          Doctor Phibes
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #2789

                                          Everybody's to blame.

                                          Everybody except Trump, presumably.

                                          I was only joking

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