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The Ukraine war thread

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  • jon-nycJ Online
    jon-nycJ Online
    jon-nyc
    wrote on last edited by
    #2771

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • RenaudaR Offline
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      Renauda
      wrote on last edited by
      #2772

      @jon-nyc

      “There’s no place [in the U.S. plans] for our main demand today, which is resolving problems related to the root causes of this conflict,” he said.

      Russian officials have repeatedly invoked the term “root causes,” which Putin said last June include Ukraine withdrawing from the partially Ukrainian regions and abandoning its NATO bid.

      https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/04/01/russia-cannot-accept-us-ceasefire-proposal-in-ukraine-deputy-fm-says-a88564

      Elbows up!

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      • MikM Offline
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        Mik
        wrote on last edited by
        #2773

        Tease the ceasefire enough and people will come to want it more and be willing to surrender more to get it.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • RenaudaR Offline
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          Renauda
          wrote on last edited by
          #2774

          I doubt very much the Kremlin will be willing to surrender any of its stated terms.

          Elbows up!

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          • MikM Offline
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            Mik
            wrote on last edited by Mik
            #2775

            Exactly. We've added a carrot when we should have stuck with the stick. But the carrot is tempting the west, not Russia.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • RenaudaR Offline
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              Renauda
              wrote on last edited by Renauda
              #2776

              The carrot is of the Trump Administration's own making and imagination. It holds little, if any, credibility outside of a few minds in Washington and Budapest. The Kremlin however immensely enjoys the black humour of the tragicomedy theatre it offers.

              Elbows up!

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              • RenaudaR Offline
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                Renauda
                wrote on last edited by
                #2777

                While Russia is exempted from the current round of Trump tariffs, its stock market is crashing like every other bourse. The drop in oil prices must really hurt.

                https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/04/05/russian-markets-reel-from-trump-tariffs-oil-price-collapse-a88618

                Despite all, don’t expect the Kremlin to become more accommodating or any less bellicose in pursuing its war against Ukraine.

                Elbows up!

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                • MikM Offline
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                  Mik
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #2778

                  He does seem rather committed.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
                    wrote on last edited by Jolly
                    #2779

                    The good news is that Germany looks like they may actually be getting serious about their defense forces.

                    Putin like to ponder on the glory days of the Soviet Union. Doubt it would come anywhere near that, but I wonder if he wishes to ponder on Operation Unthinkable?

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      The good news is that Germany looks like they may actually be getting serious about their defense forces.

                      Putin like to ponder on the glory days of the Soviet Union. Doubt it would come anywhere near that, but I wonder if he wishes to ponder on Operation Unthinkable?

                      RenaudaR Offline
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                      Renauda
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #2780

                      @Jolly

                      Don’t let it keep you awake.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • MikM Offline
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                        Mik
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #2781

                        Interesting take on Ukraine.

                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-has-a-resource-far-more-valuable-than-minerals/ar-AA1CsqM7

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • W Offline
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                          Wim
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #2782

                          An unexpected scenario?

                          https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/04/08/how-trumps-backfiring-trade-war-could-crash-putins-economy-a88654

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                          • jon-nycJ Online
                            jon-nycJ Online
                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #2783

                            I’ll take it.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

                            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                            • W Offline
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                              Wim
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #2784

                              Say thank you when we rob you...

                              https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/12/us-demands-control-from-ukraine-of-key-pipeline-carrying-russian-gas

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                              • RenaudaR Offline
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                                Renauda
                                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                #2785

                                Extortion by military or economic means appears to be a foreign policy tactic shared by the Kremlin and current White House.

                                Elbows up!

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                                  AndyD
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #2786

                                  20250321_130934.jpg

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                                  • W Offline
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                                    Wim
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #2787

                                    Either shut up or...

                                    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/13/ukraine-civilian-deaths-sumy-attack-russia-us-talks-trump-putin-analysis

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                                    • jon-nycJ Online
                                      jon-nycJ Online
                                      jon-nyc
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #2788

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

                                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                        Doctor Phibes
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #2789

                                        Everybody's to blame.

                                        Everybody except Trump, presumably.

                                        I was only joking

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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                          #2790

                                          Par for the Trump course.

                                          He does not get it. Doubtful that he ever will either. Inept.

                                          Elbows up!

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