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  • M Away
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    Mik
    wrote on 2 Apr 2025, 15:22 last edited by
    #2773

    Tease the ceasefire enough and people will come to want it more and be willing to surrender more to get it.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      Renauda
      wrote on 2 Apr 2025, 15:27 last edited by
      #2774

      I doubt very much the Kremlin will be willing to surrender any of its stated terms.

      Elbows up!

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        Mik
        wrote on 2 Apr 2025, 15:49 last edited by Mik 4 Feb 2025, 15:50
        #2775

        Exactly. We've added a carrot when we should have stuck with the stick. But the carrot is tempting the west, not Russia.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          Renauda
          wrote on 2 Apr 2025, 18:47 last edited by Renauda 4 Feb 2025, 23:16
          #2776

          The carrot is of the Trump Administration's own making and imagination. It holds little, if any, credibility outside of a few minds in Washington and Budapest. The Kremlin however immensely enjoys the black humour of the tragicomedy theatre it offers.

          Elbows up!

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            Renauda
            wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 14:00 last edited by
            #2777

            While Russia is exempted from the current round of Trump tariffs, its stock market is crashing like every other bourse. The drop in oil prices must really hurt.

            https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/04/05/russian-markets-reel-from-trump-tariffs-oil-price-collapse-a88618

            Despite all, don’t expect the Kremlin to become more accommodating or any less bellicose in pursuing its war against Ukraine.

            Elbows up!

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              Mik
              wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 14:00 last edited by
              #2778

              He does seem rather committed.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                Jolly
                wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 16:02 last edited by Jolly 4 May 2025, 16:03
                #2779

                The good news is that Germany looks like they may actually be getting serious about their defense forces.

                Putin like to ponder on the glory days of the Soviet Union. Doubt it would come anywhere near that, but I wonder if he wishes to ponder on Operation Unthinkable?

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • J Jolly
                  5 Apr 2025, 16:02

                  The good news is that Germany looks like they may actually be getting serious about their defense forces.

                  Putin like to ponder on the glory days of the Soviet Union. Doubt it would come anywhere near that, but I wonder if he wishes to ponder on Operation Unthinkable?

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                  Renauda
                  wrote on 5 Apr 2025, 19:30 last edited by
                  #2780

                  @Jolly

                  Don’t let it keep you awake.

                  Elbows up!

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                    Mik
                    wrote on 7 Apr 2025, 16:55 last edited by
                    #2781

                    Interesting take on Ukraine.

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-has-a-resource-far-more-valuable-than-minerals/ar-AA1CsqM7

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      Wim
                      wrote on 10 Apr 2025, 11:28 last edited by
                      #2782

                      An unexpected scenario?

                      https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/04/08/how-trumps-backfiring-trade-war-could-crash-putins-economy-a88654

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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on 10 Apr 2025, 14:15 last edited by
                        #2783

                        I’ll take it.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                          Wim
                          wrote on 12 Apr 2025, 20:12 last edited by
                          #2784

                          Say thank you when we rob you...

                          https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/12/us-demands-control-from-ukraine-of-key-pipeline-carrying-russian-gas

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                            Renauda
                            wrote on 12 Apr 2025, 20:45 last edited by Renauda 4 Dec 2025, 20:59
                            #2785

                            Extortion by military or economic means appears to be a foreign policy tactic shared by the Kremlin and current White House.

                            Elbows up!

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                              AndyD
                              wrote on 13 Apr 2025, 21:06 last edited by
                              #2786

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                                Wim
                                wrote on 13 Apr 2025, 21:08 last edited by
                                #2787

                                Either shut up or...

                                https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/13/ukraine-civilian-deaths-sumy-attack-russia-us-talks-trump-putin-analysis

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                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote on 14 Apr 2025, 16:30 last edited by
                                  #2788

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                    Doctor Phibes
                                    wrote on 14 Apr 2025, 16:37 last edited by
                                    #2789

                                    Everybody's to blame.

                                    Everybody except Trump, presumably.

                                    I was only joking

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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on 14 Apr 2025, 16:48 last edited by Renauda
                                      #2790

                                      Par for the Trump course.

                                      He does not get it. Doubtful that he ever will either. Inept.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                        89th
                                        wrote on 15 Apr 2025, 11:39 last edited by
                                        #2791

                                        What an odd comment "Biden could've stopped it. Zelenskyy could've stopped it."

                                        Umm, yeah pretty sure if he coulda...he woulda.

                                        That being said, the video clearly says Trump says Putin started it and I think his latter comment about "if you start a war" was a sloppy way of saying Zelenskyy essentially allowed the war to start. Which is a lazy summary of events.

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                                          Mik
                                          wrote on 15 Apr 2025, 12:46 last edited by
                                          #2792

                                          Lazy seems to be a defining characteristic.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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