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The Ukraine war thread

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  • X xenon

    The Kremlin doesn’t seem to care what the US says… curious what the next step here is.

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    Renauda
    wrote on last edited by Renauda
    #2765

    @xenon

    Don’t expect much from the Russians, unlike Washington, they are in no rush to end the bloodshed:

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/03/21/putin-warns-business-leaders-of-slow-and-difficult-ukraine-ceasefire-talks-report-a88434

    Elbows up!

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      Wim
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      #2766

      Trump 'pissed off'

      https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ukraine-war-trump-criticizes-putin-zelenskyy/

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        Renauda
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        #2767

        Wait until it dawns on the old Fat One that he’s been Putin’s Muggins since before they even met in Helsinki back in 2018.

        Elbows up!

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          xenon
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          #2768

          So… back to what Zelensky was saying in the White House. How do you trust anything Putin says?

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          • X xenon

            So… back to what Zelensky was saying in the White House. How do you trust anything Putin says?

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            Wim
            wrote on last edited by
            #2769

            @xenon Pretty obvious: not at all.

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              wrote on last edited by
              #2770

              You have to go with the assumption of deceit, then try from there to figure out what is real.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                jon-nyc
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                #2771

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                  #2772

                  @jon-nyc

                  “There’s no place [in the U.S. plans] for our main demand today, which is resolving problems related to the root causes of this conflict,” he said.

                  Russian officials have repeatedly invoked the term “root causes,” which Putin said last June include Ukraine withdrawing from the partially Ukrainian regions and abandoning its NATO bid.

                  https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/04/01/russia-cannot-accept-us-ceasefire-proposal-in-ukraine-deputy-fm-says-a88564

                  Elbows up!

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                    #2773

                    Tease the ceasefire enough and people will come to want it more and be willing to surrender more to get it.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      #2774

                      I doubt very much the Kremlin will be willing to surrender any of its stated terms.

                      Elbows up!

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                        Mik
                        wrote on last edited by Mik
                        #2775

                        Exactly. We've added a carrot when we should have stuck with the stick. But the carrot is tempting the west, not Russia.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          Renauda
                          wrote on last edited by Renauda
                          #2776

                          The carrot is of the Trump Administration's own making and imagination. It holds little, if any, credibility outside of a few minds in Washington and Budapest. The Kremlin however immensely enjoys the black humour of the tragicomedy theatre it offers.

                          Elbows up!

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                            Renauda
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #2777

                            While Russia is exempted from the current round of Trump tariffs, its stock market is crashing like every other bourse. The drop in oil prices must really hurt.

                            https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/04/05/russian-markets-reel-from-trump-tariffs-oil-price-collapse-a88618

                            Despite all, don’t expect the Kremlin to become more accommodating or any less bellicose in pursuing its war against Ukraine.

                            Elbows up!

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                              #2778

                              He does seem rather committed.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                Jolly
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                                #2779

                                The good news is that Germany looks like they may actually be getting serious about their defense forces.

                                Putin like to ponder on the glory days of the Soviet Union. Doubt it would come anywhere near that, but I wonder if he wishes to ponder on Operation Unthinkable?

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • JollyJ Jolly

                                  The good news is that Germany looks like they may actually be getting serious about their defense forces.

                                  Putin like to ponder on the glory days of the Soviet Union. Doubt it would come anywhere near that, but I wonder if he wishes to ponder on Operation Unthinkable?

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                                  Renauda
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                                  #2780

                                  @Jolly

                                  Don’t let it keep you awake.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                    #2781

                                    Interesting take on Ukraine.

                                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-has-a-resource-far-more-valuable-than-minerals/ar-AA1CsqM7

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      Wim
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #2782

                                      An unexpected scenario?

                                      https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/04/08/how-trumps-backfiring-trade-war-could-crash-putins-economy-a88654

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                                        jon-nyc
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                                        #2783

                                        I’ll take it.

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                                          Wim
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #2784

                                          Say thank you when we rob you...

                                          https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/12/us-demands-control-from-ukraine-of-key-pipeline-carrying-russian-gas

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