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  • RenaudaR Offline
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    Renauda
    wrote on last edited by Renauda
    #2759

    Still early to tell.

    But what I am hearing is saying that Zelenskyi made Trump an offer last week that amounts to an end run on Putin. It’s beginning to come clear as there are indications that the US will become the owner of the Ukrainian energy grid throughout the country. That means US has total ownership of all Ukrainian nuclear power plants, electrical and possibly oil and gas infrastructure- not sure about the o&g.

    Let’s see how this plays out, I doubt very much that the initiative came from the US side. The chatter I receive suggests Kyiv, Warsaw and Helsinki. But, time will tell. It flys right into Putin’s face. I hope it does, the bastard has no intention to negotiate anything.

    If it works then Trump might have to share that Nobel with Zekenskyi, who probably came up with the idea in the first place.

    Elbows up!

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      Renauda
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      #2760

      Appears that I spoke too soon about the Ukrainian power grid:

      Trump said the United States could own and run Ukraine’s nuclear power plants, the latest in a series of proposals he has made to the war-torn country, reliant on Washington’s support to fend off the Russian invasion.

      “We will not discuss it. We have 15 nuclear power units in operation today. This all belongs to our state,” Zelensky told a news conference in Oslo, where he held talks with Norway’s Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Store.

      He said the nuclear plants legally belonged to the Ukrainian people but that Kyiv was open to US investment once Ukraine got back control of the Zaporizhzhia plant, seized by Russian troops at the start of the war.

      “If they want to take it back from the Russians, if they want to modernize it, invest – this is a different question, this is an open question, we can talk about it,” Zelensky added.

      https://www.kyivpost.com/post/49297

      President Volodymyr Zelensky said on March 19 that he had discussed with U.S. President Donald Trump the possibility of U.S. assistance in restoring the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, the largest nuclear facility in Europe, currently under Russian occupation.

      "Water supply, technical staff, and many more steps to ensure that in a year and a half to two and a half, the plant starts to bring money and electricity to people. This is my vision," Zelensky said during a Zoom briefing for journalists.

      https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-trump-discuss-us-help-in-restoring-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant/

      Elbows up!

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      • RenaudaR Renauda

        Appears that I spoke too soon about the Ukrainian power grid:

        Trump said the United States could own and run Ukraine’s nuclear power plants, the latest in a series of proposals he has made to the war-torn country, reliant on Washington’s support to fend off the Russian invasion.

        “We will not discuss it. We have 15 nuclear power units in operation today. This all belongs to our state,” Zelensky told a news conference in Oslo, where he held talks with Norway’s Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Store.

        He said the nuclear plants legally belonged to the Ukrainian people but that Kyiv was open to US investment once Ukraine got back control of the Zaporizhzhia plant, seized by Russian troops at the start of the war.

        “If they want to take it back from the Russians, if they want to modernize it, invest – this is a different question, this is an open question, we can talk about it,” Zelensky added.

        https://www.kyivpost.com/post/49297

        President Volodymyr Zelensky said on March 19 that he had discussed with U.S. President Donald Trump the possibility of U.S. assistance in restoring the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, the largest nuclear facility in Europe, currently under Russian occupation.

        "Water supply, technical staff, and many more steps to ensure that in a year and a half to two and a half, the plant starts to bring money and electricity to people. This is my vision," Zelensky said during a Zoom briefing for journalists.

        https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-trump-discuss-us-help-in-restoring-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant/

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        Wim
        wrote on last edited by Wim
        #2761

        @Renauda I would be pleasantly surprised to see the Russians handing over Zaporizha to the Americans without any restriction.

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          AndyD
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          #2762

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          • W Wim

            @Renauda I would be pleasantly surprised to see the Russians handing over Zaporizha to the Americans without any restriction.

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            Renauda
            wrote on last edited by Renauda
            #2763

            @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

            @Renauda I would be pleasantly surprised to see the Russians handing over Zaporizha to the Americans without any restriction.

            Although an extreme long shot, I don’t think it is entirely out of the question. Time will tell, depends how badly Putin wants this to end.

            I remain unconvinced of any sincere desire by Kremlin to concede any of its maximalist terms regarding Ukraine’s future.

            Elbows up!

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              xenon
              wrote on last edited by
              #2764

              The Kremlin doesn’t seem to care what the US says… curious what the next step here is.

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              • X xenon

                The Kremlin doesn’t seem to care what the US says… curious what the next step here is.

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                Renauda
                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                #2765

                @xenon

                Don’t expect much from the Russians, unlike Washington, they are in no rush to end the bloodshed:

                https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/03/21/putin-warns-business-leaders-of-slow-and-difficult-ukraine-ceasefire-talks-report-a88434

                Elbows up!

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                  Wim
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #2766

                  Trump 'pissed off'

                  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ukraine-war-trump-criticizes-putin-zelenskyy/

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                  • RenaudaR Offline
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                    Renauda
                    wrote on last edited by Renauda
                    #2767

                    Wait until it dawns on the old Fat One that he’s been Putin’s Muggins since before they even met in Helsinki back in 2018.

                    Elbows up!

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                      xenon
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #2768

                      So… back to what Zelensky was saying in the White House. How do you trust anything Putin says?

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                      • X xenon

                        So… back to what Zelensky was saying in the White House. How do you trust anything Putin says?

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                        Wim
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #2769

                        @xenon Pretty obvious: not at all.

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          Mik
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #2770

                          You have to go with the assumption of deceit, then try from there to figure out what is real.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            #2771

                            Only non-witches get due process.

                            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                              Renauda
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #2772

                              @jon-nyc

                              “There’s no place [in the U.S. plans] for our main demand today, which is resolving problems related to the root causes of this conflict,” he said.

                              Russian officials have repeatedly invoked the term “root causes,” which Putin said last June include Ukraine withdrawing from the partially Ukrainian regions and abandoning its NATO bid.

                              https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/04/01/russia-cannot-accept-us-ceasefire-proposal-in-ukraine-deputy-fm-says-a88564

                              Elbows up!

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                              • MikM Offline
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                                Mik
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #2773

                                Tease the ceasefire enough and people will come to want it more and be willing to surrender more to get it.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #2774

                                  I doubt very much the Kremlin will be willing to surrender any of its stated terms.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • MikM Offline
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                                    Mik
                                    wrote on last edited by Mik
                                    #2775

                                    Exactly. We've added a carrot when we should have stuck with the stick. But the carrot is tempting the west, not Russia.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                      #2776

                                      The carrot is of the Trump Administration's own making and imagination. It holds little, if any, credibility outside of a few minds in Washington and Budapest. The Kremlin however immensely enjoys the black humour of the tragicomedy theatre it offers.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #2777

                                        While Russia is exempted from the current round of Trump tariffs, its stock market is crashing like every other bourse. The drop in oil prices must really hurt.

                                        https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/04/05/russian-markets-reel-from-trump-tariffs-oil-price-collapse-a88618

                                        Despite all, don’t expect the Kremlin to become more accommodating or any less bellicose in pursuing its war against Ukraine.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • MikM Offline
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                                          Mik
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #2778

                                          He does seem rather committed.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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