Pardonpalooza
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wrote on 19 Jan 2021, 18:29 last edited by
CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy
"The Founding Fathers would have been disgusted by President Donald Trump's serial abuse of the pardon power. Nearly 90% of his pardons to date have gone to friends or politically connected allies -- including corrupt politicians. While the President's pardon power may seem unconstrained by the Constitution, a closer look shows that Trump is violating every principle the framers of the Constitution assumed would be followed by a principled President -- and there's evidence they intended special constraints on a President's pardon power after they'd been impeached."
Though this initial paragraph addresses the head, the rest of the article discusses the interesting debate amongst the Framers on Presidential pardons.
I.e., George Mason argued that the President "ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself... If he has the power of granting pardons before indictment, or conviction, may he not stop inquiry and prevent detection?" Mason warned that this could "destroy the republic."
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CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy
"The Founding Fathers would have been disgusted by President Donald Trump's serial abuse of the pardon power. Nearly 90% of his pardons to date have gone to friends or politically connected allies -- including corrupt politicians. While the President's pardon power may seem unconstrained by the Constitution, a closer look shows that Trump is violating every principle the framers of the Constitution assumed would be followed by a principled President -- and there's evidence they intended special constraints on a President's pardon power after they'd been impeached."
Though this initial paragraph addresses the head, the rest of the article discusses the interesting debate amongst the Framers on Presidential pardons.
I.e., George Mason argued that the President "ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself... If he has the power of granting pardons before indictment, or conviction, may he not stop inquiry and prevent detection?" Mason warned that this could "destroy the republic."
wrote on 19 Jan 2021, 18:37 last edited by@catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:
I.e., George Mason argued that the President "ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself... If he has the power of granting pardons before indictment, or conviction, may he not stop inquiry and prevent detection?" Mason warned that this could "destroy the republic."
Lots of destruction of the republic going around. There will never be any end to drama queens masturbating and cumming over the corpses of their fallen political opponents.
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@catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:
I.e., George Mason argued that the President "ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself... If he has the power of granting pardons before indictment, or conviction, may he not stop inquiry and prevent detection?" Mason warned that this could "destroy the republic."
Lots of destruction of the republic going around. There will never be any end to drama queens masturbating and cumming over the corpses of their fallen political opponents.
wrote on 19 Jan 2021, 18:54 last edited by@horace said in Pardonpalooza:
Lots of destruction of the republic going around.
I didn't post Mason's argument to support any position of mine, but because I thought it was interesting in its own right.
I don't know enough about the prez pardon to have a position.
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wrote on 19 Jan 2021, 18:59 last edited by Mik
@Phibes
What do you call somebody who is surrounded by crooks, but is himself the most honest man you've ever met, just so, so honest, just amazingly honest?
Jesus.
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wrote on 19 Jan 2021, 19:01 last edited by
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wrote on 19 Jan 2021, 20:34 last edited by
Iād like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.
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Iād like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.
wrote on 19 Jan 2021, 20:38 last edited by@loki said in Pardonpalooza:
Iād like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.
When you find it, post it here, mkay?
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@Phibes
What do you call somebody who is surrounded by crooks, but is himself the most honest man you've ever met, just so, so honest, just amazingly honest?
Jesus.
wrote on 19 Jan 2021, 20:45 last edited by Doctor Phibes@mik said in Pardonpalooza:
@Phibes
What do you call somebody who is surrounded by crooks, but is himself the most honest man you've ever met, just so, so honest, just amazingly honest?
Jesus.
I said crooks, not blokes who seemed a bit fishy.
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@loki said in Pardonpalooza:
Iād like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.
When you find it, post it here, mkay?
wrote on 19 Jan 2021, 20:48 last edited by@catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:
@loki said in Pardonpalooza:
Iād like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.
When you find it, post it here, mkay?
Iāll pick an easy one to start, Papadopoulus.
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CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy
"The Founding Fathers would have been disgusted by President Donald Trump's serial abuse of the pardon power. Nearly 90% of his pardons to date have gone to friends or politically connected allies -- including corrupt politicians. While the President's pardon power may seem unconstrained by the Constitution, a closer look shows that Trump is violating every principle the framers of the Constitution assumed would be followed by a principled President -- and there's evidence they intended special constraints on a President's pardon power after they'd been impeached."
Though this initial paragraph addresses the head, the rest of the article discusses the interesting debate amongst the Framers on Presidential pardons.
I.e., George Mason argued that the President "ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself... If he has the power of granting pardons before indictment, or conviction, may he not stop inquiry and prevent detection?" Mason warned that this could "destroy the republic."
wrote on 19 Jan 2021, 21:41 last edited by@catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:
CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy
Corrupt?
Oh, cnn, ok
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wrote on 20 Jan 2021, 04:28 last edited by
Strong rumors...
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wrote on 20 Jan 2021, 04:38 last edited by
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@catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:
CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy
Corrupt?
Oh, cnn, ok
wrote on 20 Jan 2021, 04:46 last edited by kluurs@copper said in Pardonpalooza:
@catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:
CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy
Corrupt?
Oh, cnn, ok
At least wait until he pardons satan. Cable news is the WWE of news.
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wrote on 20 Jan 2021, 06:14 last edited by
He actually pardoned Bannon. Wow.
It went from Mexico paying to the wall to Bannon defrauding Trump supporters to pay for it then getting pardoned.
Disgusting.
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wrote on 20 Jan 2021, 10:28 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Pardonpalooza:
Strong rumors...
What happened to him? He doesn't exactly look healthy.
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wrote on 20 Jan 2021, 12:25 last edited by George K
Bannon is certainly the most controversial. He also pardoned Kwame Kilpatrick (former Detroit mayor) and Lil Wayne.
The list:
ETA: Bannon probably knows where the bodies are buried, amirite?
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Bannon is certainly the most controversial. He also pardoned Kwame Kilpatrick (former Detroit mayor) and Lil Wayne.
The list:
ETA: Bannon probably knows where the bodies are buried, amirite?
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wrote on 20 Jan 2021, 12:44 last edited by George K
In this list of controversial pardons, I wonder where Bannon would rank.
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1858: Buchanan pardons the Mormons
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1865: Johnson pardons Confederate soldiers
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1977: Carter pardons draft dodgers
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2001: Clinton pardons Patty Hearst, Weathermen
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2001: Clinton pardons his half-brother
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2017: Obama frees WikiLeaks source Chelsea Manning
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1971: Nixon frees Lt. William Calley
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1999 and 2017: FALN terrorists
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1974: Ford pardons Nixon
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2001: Clinton pardons Marc Rich
ETA: I would think, perhaps, that the pardon of Kushner is more controversial than Bannon.
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