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  • Catseye3C Catseye3

    CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy

    "The Founding Fathers would have been disgusted by President Donald Trump's serial abuse of the pardon power. Nearly 90% of his pardons to date have gone to friends or politically connected allies -- including corrupt politicians. While the President's pardon power may seem unconstrained by the Constitution, a closer look shows that Trump is violating every principle the framers of the Constitution assumed would be followed by a principled President -- and there's evidence they intended special constraints on a President's pardon power after they'd been impeached."

    Though this initial paragraph addresses the head, the rest of the article discusses the interesting debate amongst the Framers on Presidential pardons.

    I.e., George Mason argued that the President "ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself... If he has the power of granting pardons before indictment, or conviction, may he not stop inquiry and prevent detection?" Mason warned that this could "destroy the republic."

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    @catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:

    I.e., George Mason argued that the President "ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself... If he has the power of granting pardons before indictment, or conviction, may he not stop inquiry and prevent detection?" Mason warned that this could "destroy the republic."

    Lots of destruction of the republic going around. There will never be any end to drama queens masturbating and cumming over the corpses of their fallen political opponents.

    Education is extremely important.

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      @catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:

      I.e., George Mason argued that the President "ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself... If he has the power of granting pardons before indictment, or conviction, may he not stop inquiry and prevent detection?" Mason warned that this could "destroy the republic."

      Lots of destruction of the republic going around. There will never be any end to drama queens masturbating and cumming over the corpses of their fallen political opponents.

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      @horace said in Pardonpalooza:

      Lots of destruction of the republic going around.

      I didn't post Mason's argument to support any position of mine, but because I thought it was interesting in its own right.

      I don't know enough about the prez pardon to have a position.

      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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        @Phibes

        What do you call somebody who is surrounded by crooks, but is himself the most honest man you've ever met, just so, so honest, just amazingly honest?

        Jesus.

        β€œI am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          jodi
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          😁😁😁

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            I’d like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.

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            • L Loki

              I’d like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.

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              @loki said in Pardonpalooza:

              I’d like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.

              When you find it, post it here, mkay? πŸ˜€

              Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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              • MikM Mik

                @Phibes

                What do you call somebody who is surrounded by crooks, but is himself the most honest man you've ever met, just so, so honest, just amazingly honest?

                Jesus.

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                @mik said in Pardonpalooza:

                @Phibes

                What do you call somebody who is surrounded by crooks, but is himself the most honest man you've ever met, just so, so honest, just amazingly honest?

                Jesus.

                I said crooks, not blokes who seemed a bit fishy.

                I was only joking

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                • Catseye3C Catseye3

                  @loki said in Pardonpalooza:

                  I’d like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.

                  When you find it, post it here, mkay? πŸ˜€

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                  @catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:

                  @loki said in Pardonpalooza:

                  I’d like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.

                  When you find it, post it here, mkay? πŸ˜€

                  I’ll pick an easy one to start, Papadopoulus.

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                  • Catseye3C Catseye3

                    CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy

                    "The Founding Fathers would have been disgusted by President Donald Trump's serial abuse of the pardon power. Nearly 90% of his pardons to date have gone to friends or politically connected allies -- including corrupt politicians. While the President's pardon power may seem unconstrained by the Constitution, a closer look shows that Trump is violating every principle the framers of the Constitution assumed would be followed by a principled President -- and there's evidence they intended special constraints on a President's pardon power after they'd been impeached."

                    Though this initial paragraph addresses the head, the rest of the article discusses the interesting debate amongst the Framers on Presidential pardons.

                    I.e., George Mason argued that the President "ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself... If he has the power of granting pardons before indictment, or conviction, may he not stop inquiry and prevent detection?" Mason warned that this could "destroy the republic."

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                    @catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:

                    CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy

                    Corrupt?

                    Oh, cnn, ok

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                      My descent into whataboutism:

                      https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=Clinton+pardon&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=cnn.com&as_occt=any&safe=images&as_filetype=&tbs=

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        Go Mitch

                        You were warned.

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                        • jon-nycJ Online
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                          jon-nyc
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                          Strong rumors...

                          FB5BC275-CAA9-4EF9-9D3F-09387679D0F8.jpeg

                          You were warned.

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                            You were warned.

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                            • CopperC Copper

                              @catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:

                              CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy

                              Corrupt?

                              Oh, cnn, ok

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                              @copper said in Pardonpalooza:

                              @catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:

                              CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy

                              Corrupt?

                              Oh, cnn, ok

                              At least wait until he pardons satan. Cable news is the WWE of news.

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                                He actually pardoned Bannon. Wow.

                                It went from Mexico paying to the wall to Bannon defrauding Trump supporters to pay for it then getting pardoned.

                                Disgusting.

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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  Strong rumors...

                                  FB5BC275-CAA9-4EF9-9D3F-09387679D0F8.jpeg

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                                  @jon-nyc said in Pardonpalooza:

                                  Strong rumors...

                                  FB5BC275-CAA9-4EF9-9D3F-09387679D0F8.jpeg

                                  What happened to him? He doesn't exactly look healthy.

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                                    George K
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                                    Bannon is certainly the most controversial. He also pardoned Kwame Kilpatrick (former Detroit mayor) and Lil Wayne.

                                    The list:

                                    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-press-secretary-regarding-executive-grants-clemency-012021/

                                    ETA: Bannon probably knows where the bodies are buried, amirite?

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • George KG George K

                                      Bannon is certainly the most controversial. He also pardoned Kwame Kilpatrick (former Detroit mayor) and Lil Wayne.

                                      The list:

                                      https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-press-secretary-regarding-executive-grants-clemency-012021/

                                      ETA: Bannon probably knows where the bodies are buried, amirite?

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                                        In this list of controversial pardons, I wonder where Bannon would rank.

                                        1. 1858: Buchanan pardons the Mormons

                                        2. 1865: Johnson pardons Confederate soldiers

                                        3. 1977: Carter pardons draft dodgers

                                        4. 2001: Clinton pardons Patty Hearst, Weathermen

                                        5. 2001: Clinton pardons his half-brother

                                        6. 2017: Obama frees WikiLeaks source Chelsea Manning

                                        7. 1971: Nixon frees Lt. William Calley

                                        8. 1999 and 2017: FALN terrorists

                                        9. 1974: Ford pardons Nixon

                                        10. 2001: Clinton pardons Marc Rich

                                        ETA: I would think, perhaps, that the pardon of Kushner is more controversial than Bannon.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          My least favorite modern pardon isn’t even on your list, it was Obama pardoning the unrepentant Puerto Rican terrorist.

                                          You were warned.

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