Pardonpalooza
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@catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:
I.e., George Mason argued that the President "ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself... If he has the power of granting pardons before indictment, or conviction, may he not stop inquiry and prevent detection?" Mason warned that this could "destroy the republic."
Lots of destruction of the republic going around. There will never be any end to drama queens masturbating and cumming over the corpses of their fallen political opponents.
@horace said in Pardonpalooza:
Lots of destruction of the republic going around.
I didn't post Mason's argument to support any position of mine, but because I thought it was interesting in its own right.
I don't know enough about the prez pardon to have a position.
Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka
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@Phibes
What do you call somebody who is surrounded by crooks, but is himself the most honest man you've ever met, just so, so honest, just amazingly honest?
Jesus.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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I’d like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.
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@Phibes
What do you call somebody who is surrounded by crooks, but is himself the most honest man you've ever met, just so, so honest, just amazingly honest?
Jesus.
@mik said in Pardonpalooza:
@Phibes
What do you call somebody who is surrounded by crooks, but is himself the most honest man you've ever met, just so, so honest, just amazingly honest?
Jesus.
I said crooks, not blokes who seemed a bit fishy.
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@loki said in Pardonpalooza:
I’d like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.
When you find it, post it here, mkay?
@catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:
@loki said in Pardonpalooza:
I’d like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.
When you find it, post it here, mkay?
I’ll pick an easy one to start, Papadopoulus.
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CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy
"The Founding Fathers would have been disgusted by President Donald Trump's serial abuse of the pardon power. Nearly 90% of his pardons to date have gone to friends or politically connected allies -- including corrupt politicians. While the President's pardon power may seem unconstrained by the Constitution, a closer look shows that Trump is violating every principle the framers of the Constitution assumed would be followed by a principled President -- and there's evidence they intended special constraints on a President's pardon power after they'd been impeached."
Though this initial paragraph addresses the head, the rest of the article discusses the interesting debate amongst the Framers on Presidential pardons.
I.e., George Mason argued that the President "ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself... If he has the power of granting pardons before indictment, or conviction, may he not stop inquiry and prevent detection?" Mason warned that this could "destroy the republic."
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@catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:
CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy
Corrupt?
Oh, cnn, ok
@copper said in Pardonpalooza:
@catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:
CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy
Corrupt?
Oh, cnn, ok
At least wait until he pardons satan. Cable news is the WWE of news.
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Bannon is certainly the most controversial. He also pardoned Kwame Kilpatrick (former Detroit mayor) and Lil Wayne.
The list:
ETA: Bannon probably knows where the bodies are buried, amirite?
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Bannon is certainly the most controversial. He also pardoned Kwame Kilpatrick (former Detroit mayor) and Lil Wayne.
The list:
ETA: Bannon probably knows where the bodies are buried, amirite?
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In this list of controversial pardons, I wonder where Bannon would rank.
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1858: Buchanan pardons the Mormons
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1865: Johnson pardons Confederate soldiers
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1977: Carter pardons draft dodgers
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2001: Clinton pardons Patty Hearst, Weathermen
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2001: Clinton pardons his half-brother
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2017: Obama frees WikiLeaks source Chelsea Manning
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1971: Nixon frees Lt. William Calley
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1999 and 2017: FALN terrorists
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1974: Ford pardons Nixon
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2001: Clinton pardons Marc Rich
ETA: I would think, perhaps, that the pardon of Kushner is more controversial than Bannon.
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My least favorite modern pardon isn’t even on your list, it was Obama pardoning the unrepentant Puerto Rican terrorist.
@jon-nyc I don't know why that list got renumbered (@Klaus ), but it's #17:
Clinton in 1999 outraged members of both parties when he offered prison commutations to 16 members of the Puerto Rican terrorist organization FALN, which set off more than 100 bombs in the 1970s and ’80s, killing six.
Clinton said the FALN members were serving disproportionately tough sentences and that those offered clemency “were not convicted of crimes involving the killing or maiming of any individuals.”
Many bombings hit New York, and Clinton’s wife, Hillary Clinton, then running for the Senate in New York, said she opposed the action. The Senate voted 95-2 to oppose the clemency and the House voted 311-41. But because the presidential pardon power is absolute, the votes could not reverse the action.
Years later, President Barack Obama released another FALN member, Oscar Lopez Rivera, who had refused to accept Clinton’s clemency offer, which required the separatists to renounce violence, because it didn’t free all members of the group.
