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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
    wrote on last edited by
    #19

    I have no idea. It's only the controversial ones that ever get reported.

    You were warned.

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    • Doctor PhibesD Online
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      Doctor Phibes
      wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
      #20

      https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/11/24/so-far-trump-has-granted-clemency-less-frequently-than-any-president-in-modern-history/

      On the same website:

      "Barack Obama averaged fewer executive orders per year in office than any U.S. president in 120 years.'

      https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/01/23/obama-executive-orders/

      I was only joking

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      • L Loki

        @jon-nyc said in Pardonpalooza:

        Over 100 coming?

        https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/17/politics/trump-pardons-expected/index.html?fbclid=IwAR05hTxwvMRiq-zzWPO02dvP2HOs6XI1_Nu8FIKeHEnKevQ5lGYtax0cFrc

        Serious question. Is Trump going to end up with a relatively low number of pardons compared to other presidents?

        RenaudaR Offline
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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by
        #21

        @loki said in Pardonpalooza:

        @jon-nyc said in Pardonpalooza:

        Over 100 coming?

        https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/17/politics/trump-pardons-expected/index.html?fbclid=IwAR05hTxwvMRiq-zzWPO02dvP2HOs6XI1_Nu8FIKeHEnKevQ5lGYtax0cFrc

        Serious question. Is Trump going to end up with a relatively low number of pardons compared to other presidents?

        Possibly. Trump apparently feels slighted by the entire nation. After all, it's everybody else's fault things got out of control. If everyone had just listened and followed his path.

        Elbows up!

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        • Catseye3C Offline
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          Catseye3
          wrote on last edited by
          #22

          CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy

          "The Founding Fathers would have been disgusted by President Donald Trump's serial abuse of the pardon power. Nearly 90% of his pardons to date have gone to friends or politically connected allies -- including corrupt politicians. While the President's pardon power may seem unconstrained by the Constitution, a closer look shows that Trump is violating every principle the framers of the Constitution assumed would be followed by a principled President -- and there's evidence they intended special constraints on a President's pardon power after they'd been impeached."

          Though this initial paragraph addresses the head, the rest of the article discusses the interesting debate amongst the Framers on Presidential pardons.

          I.e., George Mason argued that the President "ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself... If he has the power of granting pardons before indictment, or conviction, may he not stop inquiry and prevent detection?" Mason warned that this could "destroy the republic."

          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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          • Catseye3C Catseye3

            CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy

            "The Founding Fathers would have been disgusted by President Donald Trump's serial abuse of the pardon power. Nearly 90% of his pardons to date have gone to friends or politically connected allies -- including corrupt politicians. While the President's pardon power may seem unconstrained by the Constitution, a closer look shows that Trump is violating every principle the framers of the Constitution assumed would be followed by a principled President -- and there's evidence they intended special constraints on a President's pardon power after they'd been impeached."

            Though this initial paragraph addresses the head, the rest of the article discusses the interesting debate amongst the Framers on Presidential pardons.

            I.e., George Mason argued that the President "ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself... If he has the power of granting pardons before indictment, or conviction, may he not stop inquiry and prevent detection?" Mason warned that this could "destroy the republic."

            HoraceH Offline
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            Horace
            wrote on last edited by
            #23

            @catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:

            I.e., George Mason argued that the President "ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself... If he has the power of granting pardons before indictment, or conviction, may he not stop inquiry and prevent detection?" Mason warned that this could "destroy the republic."

            Lots of destruction of the republic going around. There will never be any end to drama queens masturbating and cumming over the corpses of their fallen political opponents.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • HoraceH Horace

              @catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:

              I.e., George Mason argued that the President "ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself... If he has the power of granting pardons before indictment, or conviction, may he not stop inquiry and prevent detection?" Mason warned that this could "destroy the republic."

              Lots of destruction of the republic going around. There will never be any end to drama queens masturbating and cumming over the corpses of their fallen political opponents.

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              Catseye3
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              #24

              @horace said in Pardonpalooza:

              Lots of destruction of the republic going around.

              I didn't post Mason's argument to support any position of mine, but because I thought it was interesting in its own right.

              I don't know enough about the prez pardon to have a position.

              Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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              • MikM Offline
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                Mik
                wrote on last edited by Mik
                #25

                @Phibes

                What do you call somebody who is surrounded by crooks, but is himself the most honest man you've ever met, just so, so honest, just amazingly honest?

                Jesus.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • jodiJ Offline
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                  jodi
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #26

                  😁😁😁

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                  • L Offline
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                    Loki
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #27

                    I’d like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.

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                    • L Loki

                      I’d like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.

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                      Catseye3
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #28

                      @loki said in Pardonpalooza:

                      I’d like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.

                      When you find it, post it here, mkay? 😀

                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                      • MikM Mik

                        @Phibes

                        What do you call somebody who is surrounded by crooks, but is himself the most honest man you've ever met, just so, so honest, just amazingly honest?

                        Jesus.

                        Doctor PhibesD Online
                        Doctor PhibesD Online
                        Doctor Phibes
                        wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                        #29

                        @mik said in Pardonpalooza:

                        @Phibes

                        What do you call somebody who is surrounded by crooks, but is himself the most honest man you've ever met, just so, so honest, just amazingly honest?

                        Jesus.

                        I said crooks, not blokes who seemed a bit fishy.

                        I was only joking

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                        • Catseye3C Catseye3

                          @loki said in Pardonpalooza:

                          I’d like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.

                          When you find it, post it here, mkay? 😀

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                          Loki
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #30

                          @catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:

                          @loki said in Pardonpalooza:

                          I’d like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.

                          When you find it, post it here, mkay? 😀

                          I’ll pick an easy one to start, Papadopoulus.

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                          • Catseye3C Catseye3

                            CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy

                            "The Founding Fathers would have been disgusted by President Donald Trump's serial abuse of the pardon power. Nearly 90% of his pardons to date have gone to friends or politically connected allies -- including corrupt politicians. While the President's pardon power may seem unconstrained by the Constitution, a closer look shows that Trump is violating every principle the framers of the Constitution assumed would be followed by a principled President -- and there's evidence they intended special constraints on a President's pardon power after they'd been impeached."

                            Though this initial paragraph addresses the head, the rest of the article discusses the interesting debate amongst the Framers on Presidential pardons.

                            I.e., George Mason argued that the President "ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself... If he has the power of granting pardons before indictment, or conviction, may he not stop inquiry and prevent detection?" Mason warned that this could "destroy the republic."

                            CopperC Offline
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                            Copper
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #31

                            @catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:

                            CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy

                            Corrupt?

                            Oh, cnn, ok

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                            • George KG Offline
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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #32

                              My descent into whataboutism:

                              https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=Clinton+pardon&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=cnn.com&as_occt=any&safe=images&as_filetype=&tbs=

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • jon-nycJ Offline
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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #33

                                Go Mitch

                                You were warned.

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                                • jon-nycJ Offline
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                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #34

                                  Strong rumors...

                                  FB5BC275-CAA9-4EF9-9D3F-09387679D0F8.jpeg

                                  You were warned.

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                                  • jon-nycJ Offline
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                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #35

                                    You were warned.

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                                    • CopperC Copper

                                      @catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:

                                      CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy

                                      Corrupt?

                                      Oh, cnn, ok

                                      kluursK Online
                                      kluursK Online
                                      kluurs
                                      wrote on last edited by kluurs
                                      #36

                                      @copper said in Pardonpalooza:

                                      @catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:

                                      CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy

                                      Corrupt?

                                      Oh, cnn, ok

                                      At least wait until he pardons satan. Cable news is the WWE of news.

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                                        xenon
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #37

                                        He actually pardoned Bannon. Wow.

                                        It went from Mexico paying to the wall to Bannon defrauding Trump supporters to pay for it then getting pardoned.

                                        Disgusting.

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                                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                          Strong rumors...

                                          FB5BC275-CAA9-4EF9-9D3F-09387679D0F8.jpeg

                                          KlausK Offline
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                                          Klaus
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #38

                                          @jon-nyc said in Pardonpalooza:

                                          Strong rumors...

                                          FB5BC275-CAA9-4EF9-9D3F-09387679D0F8.jpeg

                                          What happened to him? He doesn't exactly look healthy.

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