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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
    wrote on last edited by Mik
    #25

    @Phibes

    What do you call somebody who is surrounded by crooks, but is himself the most honest man you've ever met, just so, so honest, just amazingly honest?

    Jesus.

    β€œI am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      jodi
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      #26

      😁😁😁

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        Loki
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        #27

        I’d like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.

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        • L Loki

          I’d like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.

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          Catseye3
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          #28

          @loki said in Pardonpalooza:

          I’d like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.

          When you find it, post it here, mkay? πŸ˜€

          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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          • MikM Mik

            @Phibes

            What do you call somebody who is surrounded by crooks, but is himself the most honest man you've ever met, just so, so honest, just amazingly honest?

            Jesus.

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            Doctor Phibes
            wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
            #29

            @mik said in Pardonpalooza:

            @Phibes

            What do you call somebody who is surrounded by crooks, but is himself the most honest man you've ever met, just so, so honest, just amazingly honest?

            Jesus.

            I said crooks, not blokes who seemed a bit fishy.

            I was only joking

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            • Catseye3C Catseye3

              @loki said in Pardonpalooza:

              I’d like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.

              When you find it, post it here, mkay? πŸ˜€

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              Loki
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              #30

              @catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:

              @loki said in Pardonpalooza:

              I’d like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.

              When you find it, post it here, mkay? πŸ˜€

              I’ll pick an easy one to start, Papadopoulus.

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              • Catseye3C Catseye3

                CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy

                "The Founding Fathers would have been disgusted by President Donald Trump's serial abuse of the pardon power. Nearly 90% of his pardons to date have gone to friends or politically connected allies -- including corrupt politicians. While the President's pardon power may seem unconstrained by the Constitution, a closer look shows that Trump is violating every principle the framers of the Constitution assumed would be followed by a principled President -- and there's evidence they intended special constraints on a President's pardon power after they'd been impeached."

                Though this initial paragraph addresses the head, the rest of the article discusses the interesting debate amongst the Framers on Presidential pardons.

                I.e., George Mason argued that the President "ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself... If he has the power of granting pardons before indictment, or conviction, may he not stop inquiry and prevent detection?" Mason warned that this could "destroy the republic."

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                #31

                @catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:

                CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy

                Corrupt?

                Oh, cnn, ok

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
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                  #32

                  My descent into whataboutism:

                  https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=Clinton+pardon&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=cnn.com&as_occt=any&safe=images&as_filetype=&tbs=

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • jon-nycJ Offline
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                    jon-nyc
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                    #33

                    Go Mitch

                    You were warned.

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                    • jon-nycJ Offline
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                      jon-nyc
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                      #34

                      Strong rumors...

                      FB5BC275-CAA9-4EF9-9D3F-09387679D0F8.jpeg

                      You were warned.

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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #35

                        You were warned.

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                        • CopperC Copper

                          @catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:

                          CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy

                          Corrupt?

                          Oh, cnn, ok

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                          kluurs
                          wrote on last edited by kluurs
                          #36

                          @copper said in Pardonpalooza:

                          @catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:

                          CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy

                          Corrupt?

                          Oh, cnn, ok

                          At least wait until he pardons satan. Cable news is the WWE of news.

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                            xenon
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                            #37

                            He actually pardoned Bannon. Wow.

                            It went from Mexico paying to the wall to Bannon defrauding Trump supporters to pay for it then getting pardoned.

                            Disgusting.

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                            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                              Strong rumors...

                              FB5BC275-CAA9-4EF9-9D3F-09387679D0F8.jpeg

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                              Klaus
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #38

                              @jon-nyc said in Pardonpalooza:

                              Strong rumors...

                              FB5BC275-CAA9-4EF9-9D3F-09387679D0F8.jpeg

                              What happened to him? He doesn't exactly look healthy.

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                                George K
                                wrote on last edited by George K
                                #39

                                Bannon is certainly the most controversial. He also pardoned Kwame Kilpatrick (former Detroit mayor) and Lil Wayne.

                                The list:

                                https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-press-secretary-regarding-executive-grants-clemency-012021/

                                ETA: Bannon probably knows where the bodies are buried, amirite?

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • George KG George K

                                  Bannon is certainly the most controversial. He also pardoned Kwame Kilpatrick (former Detroit mayor) and Lil Wayne.

                                  The list:

                                  https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-press-secretary-regarding-executive-grants-clemency-012021/

                                  ETA: Bannon probably knows where the bodies are buried, amirite?

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                                  #40

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                                  • George KG Offline
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                                    George K
                                    wrote on last edited by George K
                                    #41

                                    In this list of controversial pardons, I wonder where Bannon would rank.

                                    1. 1858: Buchanan pardons the Mormons

                                    2. 1865: Johnson pardons Confederate soldiers

                                    3. 1977: Carter pardons draft dodgers

                                    4. 2001: Clinton pardons Patty Hearst, Weathermen

                                    5. 2001: Clinton pardons his half-brother

                                    6. 2017: Obama frees WikiLeaks source Chelsea Manning

                                    7. 1971: Nixon frees Lt. William Calley

                                    8. 1999 and 2017: FALN terrorists

                                    9. 1974: Ford pardons Nixon

                                    10. 2001: Clinton pardons Marc Rich

                                    ETA: I would think, perhaps, that the pardon of Kushner is more controversial than Bannon.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      jon-nyc
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #42

                                      My least favorite modern pardon isn’t even on your list, it was Obama pardoning the unrepentant Puerto Rican terrorist.

                                      You were warned.

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                                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                        My least favorite modern pardon isn’t even on your list, it was Obama pardoning the unrepentant Puerto Rican terrorist.

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                                        George K
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                                        #43

                                        @jon-nyc I don't know why that list got renumbered (@Klaus ), but it's #17:

                                        Clinton in 1999 outraged members of both parties when he offered prison commutations to 16 members of the Puerto Rican terrorist organization FALN, which set off more than 100 bombs in the 1970s and ’80s, killing six.

                                        Clinton said the FALN members were serving disproportionately tough sentences and that those offered clemency β€œwere not convicted of crimes involving the killing or maiming of any individuals.”

                                        Many bombings hit New York, and Clinton’s wife, Hillary Clinton, then running for the Senate in New York, said she opposed the action. The Senate voted 95-2 to oppose the clemency and the House voted 311-41. But because the presidential pardon power is absolute, the votes could not reverse the action.

                                        Years later, President Barack Obama released another FALN member, Oscar Lopez Rivera, who had refused to accept Clinton’s clemency offer, which required the separatists to renounce violence, because it didn’t free all members of the group.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          Copper
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                                          OMG, look at that face.

                                          How could he pardon an unattractive person?

                                          He looks kind of scary.

                                          Yuck

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