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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    Over 100 coming?

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/17/politics/trump-pardons-expected/index.html?fbclid=IwAR05hTxwvMRiq-zzWPO02dvP2HOs6XI1_Nu8FIKeHEnKevQ5lGYtax0cFrc

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    Loki
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    @jon-nyc said in Pardonpalooza:

    Over 100 coming?

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/17/politics/trump-pardons-expected/index.html?fbclid=IwAR05hTxwvMRiq-zzWPO02dvP2HOs6XI1_Nu8FIKeHEnKevQ5lGYtax0cFrc

    Serious question. Is Trump going to end up with a relatively low number of pardons compared to other presidents?

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      jon-nyc
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      I have no idea. It's only the controversial ones that ever get reported.

      You were warned.

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        Doctor Phibes
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        #20

        https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/11/24/so-far-trump-has-granted-clemency-less-frequently-than-any-president-in-modern-history/

        On the same website:

        "Barack Obama averaged fewer executive orders per year in office than any U.S. president in 120 years.'

        https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/01/23/obama-executive-orders/

        I was only joking

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        • L Loki

          @jon-nyc said in Pardonpalooza:

          Over 100 coming?

          https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/17/politics/trump-pardons-expected/index.html?fbclid=IwAR05hTxwvMRiq-zzWPO02dvP2HOs6XI1_Nu8FIKeHEnKevQ5lGYtax0cFrc

          Serious question. Is Trump going to end up with a relatively low number of pardons compared to other presidents?

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          Renauda
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          @loki said in Pardonpalooza:

          @jon-nyc said in Pardonpalooza:

          Over 100 coming?

          https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/17/politics/trump-pardons-expected/index.html?fbclid=IwAR05hTxwvMRiq-zzWPO02dvP2HOs6XI1_Nu8FIKeHEnKevQ5lGYtax0cFrc

          Serious question. Is Trump going to end up with a relatively low number of pardons compared to other presidents?

          Possibly. Trump apparently feels slighted by the entire nation. After all, it's everybody else's fault things got out of control. If everyone had just listened and followed his path.

          Elbows up!

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            CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy

            "The Founding Fathers would have been disgusted by President Donald Trump's serial abuse of the pardon power. Nearly 90% of his pardons to date have gone to friends or politically connected allies -- including corrupt politicians. While the President's pardon power may seem unconstrained by the Constitution, a closer look shows that Trump is violating every principle the framers of the Constitution assumed would be followed by a principled President -- and there's evidence they intended special constraints on a President's pardon power after they'd been impeached."

            Though this initial paragraph addresses the head, the rest of the article discusses the interesting debate amongst the Framers on Presidential pardons.

            I.e., George Mason argued that the President "ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself... If he has the power of granting pardons before indictment, or conviction, may he not stop inquiry and prevent detection?" Mason warned that this could "destroy the republic."

            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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            • Catseye3C Catseye3

              CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy

              "The Founding Fathers would have been disgusted by President Donald Trump's serial abuse of the pardon power. Nearly 90% of his pardons to date have gone to friends or politically connected allies -- including corrupt politicians. While the President's pardon power may seem unconstrained by the Constitution, a closer look shows that Trump is violating every principle the framers of the Constitution assumed would be followed by a principled President -- and there's evidence they intended special constraints on a President's pardon power after they'd been impeached."

              Though this initial paragraph addresses the head, the rest of the article discusses the interesting debate amongst the Framers on Presidential pardons.

              I.e., George Mason argued that the President "ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself... If he has the power of granting pardons before indictment, or conviction, may he not stop inquiry and prevent detection?" Mason warned that this could "destroy the republic."

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              @catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:

              I.e., George Mason argued that the President "ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself... If he has the power of granting pardons before indictment, or conviction, may he not stop inquiry and prevent detection?" Mason warned that this could "destroy the republic."

              Lots of destruction of the republic going around. There will never be any end to drama queens masturbating and cumming over the corpses of their fallen political opponents.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • HoraceH Horace

                @catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:

                I.e., George Mason argued that the President "ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself... If he has the power of granting pardons before indictment, or conviction, may he not stop inquiry and prevent detection?" Mason warned that this could "destroy the republic."

                Lots of destruction of the republic going around. There will never be any end to drama queens masturbating and cumming over the corpses of their fallen political opponents.

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                @horace said in Pardonpalooza:

                Lots of destruction of the republic going around.

                I didn't post Mason's argument to support any position of mine, but because I thought it was interesting in its own right.

                I don't know enough about the prez pardon to have a position.

                Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                • MikM Offline
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                  #25

                  @Phibes

                  What do you call somebody who is surrounded by crooks, but is himself the most honest man you've ever met, just so, so honest, just amazingly honest?

                  Jesus.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    #26

                    😁😁😁

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                      I’d like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.

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                      • L Loki

                        I’d like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.

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                        @loki said in Pardonpalooza:

                        I’d like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.

                        When you find it, post it here, mkay? 😀

                        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                        • MikM Mik

                          @Phibes

                          What do you call somebody who is surrounded by crooks, but is himself the most honest man you've ever met, just so, so honest, just amazingly honest?

                          Jesus.

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                          Doctor Phibes
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                          @mik said in Pardonpalooza:

                          @Phibes

                          What do you call somebody who is surrounded by crooks, but is himself the most honest man you've ever met, just so, so honest, just amazingly honest?

                          Jesus.

                          I said crooks, not blokes who seemed a bit fishy.

                          I was only joking

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                          • Catseye3C Catseye3

                            @loki said in Pardonpalooza:

                            I’d like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.

                            When you find it, post it here, mkay? 😀

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                            Loki
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                            @catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:

                            @loki said in Pardonpalooza:

                            I’d like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.

                            When you find it, post it here, mkay? 😀

                            I’ll pick an easy one to start, Papadopoulus.

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                            • Catseye3C Catseye3

                              CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy

                              "The Founding Fathers would have been disgusted by President Donald Trump's serial abuse of the pardon power. Nearly 90% of his pardons to date have gone to friends or politically connected allies -- including corrupt politicians. While the President's pardon power may seem unconstrained by the Constitution, a closer look shows that Trump is violating every principle the framers of the Constitution assumed would be followed by a principled President -- and there's evidence they intended special constraints on a President's pardon power after they'd been impeached."

                              Though this initial paragraph addresses the head, the rest of the article discusses the interesting debate amongst the Framers on Presidential pardons.

                              I.e., George Mason argued that the President "ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself... If he has the power of granting pardons before indictment, or conviction, may he not stop inquiry and prevent detection?" Mason warned that this could "destroy the republic."

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                              Copper
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                              @catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:

                              CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy

                              Corrupt?

                              Oh, cnn, ok

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                                My descent into whataboutism:

                                https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=Clinton+pardon&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=cnn.com&as_occt=any&safe=images&as_filetype=&tbs=

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • jon-nycJ Online
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                                  jon-nyc
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                                  #33

                                  Go Mitch

                                  You were warned.

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                                  • jon-nycJ Online
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                                    jon-nyc
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                                    Strong rumors...

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                                    You were warned.

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                                      jon-nyc
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                                      #35

                                      You were warned.

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                                      • CopperC Copper

                                        @catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:

                                        CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy

                                        Corrupt?

                                        Oh, cnn, ok

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                                        #36

                                        @copper said in Pardonpalooza:

                                        @catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:

                                        CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy

                                        Corrupt?

                                        Oh, cnn, ok

                                        At least wait until he pardons satan. Cable news is the WWE of news.

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                                          He actually pardoned Bannon. Wow.

                                          It went from Mexico paying to the wall to Bannon defrauding Trump supporters to pay for it then getting pardoned.

                                          Disgusting.

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