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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
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    #13

    Over 100 coming?

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/17/politics/trump-pardons-expected/index.html?fbclid=IwAR05hTxwvMRiq-zzWPO02dvP2HOs6XI1_Nu8FIKeHEnKevQ5lGYtax0cFrc

    You were warned.

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
      wrote on last edited by
      #14

      Go big AND go home.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • CopperC Offline
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        #15

        Good

        I hope he sets a record with a huge number

        He should include Joe and Hunter Biden

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        • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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          Doctor Phibes
          wrote on last edited by
          #16

          What do you call somebody who is surrounded by crooks, but is himself the most honest man you've ever met, just so, so honest, just amazingly honest?

          I was only joking

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          • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

            What do you call somebody who is surrounded by crooks, but is himself the most honest man you've ever met, just so, so honest, just amazingly honest?

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            Loki
            wrote on last edited by
            #17

            @doctor-phibes said in Pardonpalooza:

            What do you call somebody who is surrounded by crooks, but is himself the most honest man you've ever met, just so, so honest, just amazingly honest?

            Political candidate.

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              Over 100 coming?

              https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/17/politics/trump-pardons-expected/index.html?fbclid=IwAR05hTxwvMRiq-zzWPO02dvP2HOs6XI1_Nu8FIKeHEnKevQ5lGYtax0cFrc

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              Loki
              wrote on last edited by
              #18

              @jon-nyc said in Pardonpalooza:

              Over 100 coming?

              https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/17/politics/trump-pardons-expected/index.html?fbclid=IwAR05hTxwvMRiq-zzWPO02dvP2HOs6XI1_Nu8FIKeHEnKevQ5lGYtax0cFrc

              Serious question. Is Trump going to end up with a relatively low number of pardons compared to other presidents?

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              • jon-nycJ Offline
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                jon-nyc
                wrote on last edited by
                #19

                I have no idea. It's only the controversial ones that ever get reported.

                You were warned.

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                • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                  Doctor Phibes
                  wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                  #20

                  https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/11/24/so-far-trump-has-granted-clemency-less-frequently-than-any-president-in-modern-history/

                  On the same website:

                  "Barack Obama averaged fewer executive orders per year in office than any U.S. president in 120 years.'

                  https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/01/23/obama-executive-orders/

                  I was only joking

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                  • L Loki

                    @jon-nyc said in Pardonpalooza:

                    Over 100 coming?

                    https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/17/politics/trump-pardons-expected/index.html?fbclid=IwAR05hTxwvMRiq-zzWPO02dvP2HOs6XI1_Nu8FIKeHEnKevQ5lGYtax0cFrc

                    Serious question. Is Trump going to end up with a relatively low number of pardons compared to other presidents?

                    RenaudaR Offline
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                    Renauda
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #21

                    @loki said in Pardonpalooza:

                    @jon-nyc said in Pardonpalooza:

                    Over 100 coming?

                    https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/17/politics/trump-pardons-expected/index.html?fbclid=IwAR05hTxwvMRiq-zzWPO02dvP2HOs6XI1_Nu8FIKeHEnKevQ5lGYtax0cFrc

                    Serious question. Is Trump going to end up with a relatively low number of pardons compared to other presidents?

                    Possibly. Trump apparently feels slighted by the entire nation. After all, it's everybody else's fault things got out of control. If everyone had just listened and followed his path.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • Catseye3C Offline
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                      CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy

                      "The Founding Fathers would have been disgusted by President Donald Trump's serial abuse of the pardon power. Nearly 90% of his pardons to date have gone to friends or politically connected allies -- including corrupt politicians. While the President's pardon power may seem unconstrained by the Constitution, a closer look shows that Trump is violating every principle the framers of the Constitution assumed would be followed by a principled President -- and there's evidence they intended special constraints on a President's pardon power after they'd been impeached."

                      Though this initial paragraph addresses the head, the rest of the article discusses the interesting debate amongst the Framers on Presidential pardons.

                      I.e., George Mason argued that the President "ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself... If he has the power of granting pardons before indictment, or conviction, may he not stop inquiry and prevent detection?" Mason warned that this could "destroy the republic."

                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                      • Catseye3C Catseye3

                        CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy

                        "The Founding Fathers would have been disgusted by President Donald Trump's serial abuse of the pardon power. Nearly 90% of his pardons to date have gone to friends or politically connected allies -- including corrupt politicians. While the President's pardon power may seem unconstrained by the Constitution, a closer look shows that Trump is violating every principle the framers of the Constitution assumed would be followed by a principled President -- and there's evidence they intended special constraints on a President's pardon power after they'd been impeached."

                        Though this initial paragraph addresses the head, the rest of the article discusses the interesting debate amongst the Framers on Presidential pardons.

                        I.e., George Mason argued that the President "ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself... If he has the power of granting pardons before indictment, or conviction, may he not stop inquiry and prevent detection?" Mason warned that this could "destroy the republic."

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                        #23

                        @catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:

                        I.e., George Mason argued that the President "ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself... If he has the power of granting pardons before indictment, or conviction, may he not stop inquiry and prevent detection?" Mason warned that this could "destroy the republic."

                        Lots of destruction of the republic going around. There will never be any end to drama queens masturbating and cumming over the corpses of their fallen political opponents.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • HoraceH Horace

                          @catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:

                          I.e., George Mason argued that the President "ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself... If he has the power of granting pardons before indictment, or conviction, may he not stop inquiry and prevent detection?" Mason warned that this could "destroy the republic."

                          Lots of destruction of the republic going around. There will never be any end to drama queens masturbating and cumming over the corpses of their fallen political opponents.

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                          Catseye3
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #24

                          @horace said in Pardonpalooza:

                          Lots of destruction of the republic going around.

                          I didn't post Mason's argument to support any position of mine, but because I thought it was interesting in its own right.

                          I don't know enough about the prez pardon to have a position.

                          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                          • MikM Offline
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                            Mik
                            wrote on last edited by Mik
                            #25

                            @Phibes

                            What do you call somebody who is surrounded by crooks, but is himself the most honest man you've ever met, just so, so honest, just amazingly honest?

                            Jesus.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              jodi
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #26

                              😁😁😁

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                                Loki
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #27

                                I’d like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.

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                                • L Loki

                                  I’d like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.

                                  Catseye3C Offline
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                                  Catseye3
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #28

                                  @loki said in Pardonpalooza:

                                  I’d like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.

                                  When you find it, post it here, mkay? 😀

                                  Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                  • MikM Mik

                                    @Phibes

                                    What do you call somebody who is surrounded by crooks, but is himself the most honest man you've ever met, just so, so honest, just amazingly honest?

                                    Jesus.

                                    Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                                    Doctor Phibes
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                                    #29

                                    @mik said in Pardonpalooza:

                                    @Phibes

                                    What do you call somebody who is surrounded by crooks, but is himself the most honest man you've ever met, just so, so honest, just amazingly honest?

                                    Jesus.

                                    I said crooks, not blokes who seemed a bit fishy.

                                    I was only joking

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                                    • Catseye3C Catseye3

                                      @loki said in Pardonpalooza:

                                      I’d like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.

                                      When you find it, post it here, mkay? 😀

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                                      Loki
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #30

                                      @catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:

                                      @loki said in Pardonpalooza:

                                      I’d like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.

                                      When you find it, post it here, mkay? 😀

                                      I’ll pick an easy one to start, Papadopoulus.

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                                      • Catseye3C Catseye3

                                        CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy

                                        "The Founding Fathers would have been disgusted by President Donald Trump's serial abuse of the pardon power. Nearly 90% of his pardons to date have gone to friends or politically connected allies -- including corrupt politicians. While the President's pardon power may seem unconstrained by the Constitution, a closer look shows that Trump is violating every principle the framers of the Constitution assumed would be followed by a principled President -- and there's evidence they intended special constraints on a President's pardon power after they'd been impeached."

                                        Though this initial paragraph addresses the head, the rest of the article discusses the interesting debate amongst the Framers on Presidential pardons.

                                        I.e., George Mason argued that the President "ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself... If he has the power of granting pardons before indictment, or conviction, may he not stop inquiry and prevent detection?" Mason warned that this could "destroy the republic."

                                        CopperC Offline
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                                        Copper
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #31

                                        @catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:

                                        CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy

                                        Corrupt?

                                        Oh, cnn, ok

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                                          George K
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                                          My descent into whataboutism:

                                          https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=Clinton+pardon&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=cnn.com&as_occt=any&safe=images&as_filetype=&tbs=

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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