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  • D Doctor Phibes
    19 Jan 2021, 17:11

    What do you call somebody who is surrounded by crooks, but is himself the most honest man you've ever met, just so, so honest, just amazingly honest?

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    Loki
    wrote on 19 Jan 2021, 17:21 last edited by
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    @doctor-phibes said in Pardonpalooza:

    What do you call somebody who is surrounded by crooks, but is himself the most honest man you've ever met, just so, so honest, just amazingly honest?

    Political candidate.

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    • J jon-nyc
      19 Jan 2021, 15:46

      Over 100 coming?

      https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/17/politics/trump-pardons-expected/index.html?fbclid=IwAR05hTxwvMRiq-zzWPO02dvP2HOs6XI1_Nu8FIKeHEnKevQ5lGYtax0cFrc

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      Loki
      wrote on 19 Jan 2021, 17:24 last edited by
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      @jon-nyc said in Pardonpalooza:

      Over 100 coming?

      https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/17/politics/trump-pardons-expected/index.html?fbclid=IwAR05hTxwvMRiq-zzWPO02dvP2HOs6XI1_Nu8FIKeHEnKevQ5lGYtax0cFrc

      Serious question. Is Trump going to end up with a relatively low number of pardons compared to other presidents?

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        jon-nyc
        wrote on 19 Jan 2021, 17:27 last edited by
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        I have no idea. It's only the controversial ones that ever get reported.

        Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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          Doctor Phibes
          wrote on 19 Jan 2021, 17:29 last edited by Doctor Phibes
          #20

          https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/11/24/so-far-trump-has-granted-clemency-less-frequently-than-any-president-in-modern-history/

          On the same website:

          "Barack Obama averaged fewer executive orders per year in office than any U.S. president in 120 years.'

          https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/01/23/obama-executive-orders/

          I was only joking

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          • L Loki
            19 Jan 2021, 17:24

            @jon-nyc said in Pardonpalooza:

            Over 100 coming?

            https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/17/politics/trump-pardons-expected/index.html?fbclid=IwAR05hTxwvMRiq-zzWPO02dvP2HOs6XI1_Nu8FIKeHEnKevQ5lGYtax0cFrc

            Serious question. Is Trump going to end up with a relatively low number of pardons compared to other presidents?

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            Renauda
            wrote on 19 Jan 2021, 18:06 last edited by
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            @loki said in Pardonpalooza:

            @jon-nyc said in Pardonpalooza:

            Over 100 coming?

            https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/17/politics/trump-pardons-expected/index.html?fbclid=IwAR05hTxwvMRiq-zzWPO02dvP2HOs6XI1_Nu8FIKeHEnKevQ5lGYtax0cFrc

            Serious question. Is Trump going to end up with a relatively low number of pardons compared to other presidents?

            Possibly. Trump apparently feels slighted by the entire nation. After all, it's everybody else's fault things got out of control. If everyone had just listened and followed his path.

            Elbows up!

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              Catseye3
              wrote on 19 Jan 2021, 18:29 last edited by
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              CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy

              "The Founding Fathers would have been disgusted by President Donald Trump's serial abuse of the pardon power. Nearly 90% of his pardons to date have gone to friends or politically connected allies -- including corrupt politicians. While the President's pardon power may seem unconstrained by the Constitution, a closer look shows that Trump is violating every principle the framers of the Constitution assumed would be followed by a principled President -- and there's evidence they intended special constraints on a President's pardon power after they'd been impeached."

              Though this initial paragraph addresses the head, the rest of the article discusses the interesting debate amongst the Framers on Presidential pardons.

              I.e., George Mason argued that the President "ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself... If he has the power of granting pardons before indictment, or conviction, may he not stop inquiry and prevent detection?" Mason warned that this could "destroy the republic."

              Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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              • C Catseye3
                19 Jan 2021, 18:29

                CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy

                "The Founding Fathers would have been disgusted by President Donald Trump's serial abuse of the pardon power. Nearly 90% of his pardons to date have gone to friends or politically connected allies -- including corrupt politicians. While the President's pardon power may seem unconstrained by the Constitution, a closer look shows that Trump is violating every principle the framers of the Constitution assumed would be followed by a principled President -- and there's evidence they intended special constraints on a President's pardon power after they'd been impeached."

                Though this initial paragraph addresses the head, the rest of the article discusses the interesting debate amongst the Framers on Presidential pardons.

                I.e., George Mason argued that the President "ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself... If he has the power of granting pardons before indictment, or conviction, may he not stop inquiry and prevent detection?" Mason warned that this could "destroy the republic."

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                Horace
                wrote on 19 Jan 2021, 18:37 last edited by
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                @catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:

                I.e., George Mason argued that the President "ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself... If he has the power of granting pardons before indictment, or conviction, may he not stop inquiry and prevent detection?" Mason warned that this could "destroy the republic."

                Lots of destruction of the republic going around. There will never be any end to drama queens masturbating and cumming over the corpses of their fallen political opponents.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • H Horace
                  19 Jan 2021, 18:37

                  @catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:

                  I.e., George Mason argued that the President "ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself... If he has the power of granting pardons before indictment, or conviction, may he not stop inquiry and prevent detection?" Mason warned that this could "destroy the republic."

                  Lots of destruction of the republic going around. There will never be any end to drama queens masturbating and cumming over the corpses of their fallen political opponents.

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                  Catseye3
                  wrote on 19 Jan 2021, 18:54 last edited by
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                  @horace said in Pardonpalooza:

                  Lots of destruction of the republic going around.

                  I didn't post Mason's argument to support any position of mine, but because I thought it was interesting in its own right.

                  I don't know enough about the prez pardon to have a position.

                  Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                    Mik
                    wrote on 19 Jan 2021, 18:59 last edited by Mik
                    #25

                    @Phibes

                    What do you call somebody who is surrounded by crooks, but is himself the most honest man you've ever met, just so, so honest, just amazingly honest?

                    Jesus.

                    "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                      jodi
                      wrote on 19 Jan 2021, 19:01 last edited by
                      #26

                      😁😁😁

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                        Loki
                        wrote on 19 Jan 2021, 20:34 last edited by
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                        I’d like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.

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                        • L Loki
                          19 Jan 2021, 20:34

                          I’d like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.

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                          Catseye3
                          wrote on 19 Jan 2021, 20:38 last edited by
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                          @loki said in Pardonpalooza:

                          I’d like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.

                          When you find it, post it here, mkay? 😀

                          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                          • M Mik
                            19 Jan 2021, 18:59

                            @Phibes

                            What do you call somebody who is surrounded by crooks, but is himself the most honest man you've ever met, just so, so honest, just amazingly honest?

                            Jesus.

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                            Doctor Phibes
                            wrote on 19 Jan 2021, 20:45 last edited by Doctor Phibes
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                            @mik said in Pardonpalooza:

                            @Phibes

                            What do you call somebody who is surrounded by crooks, but is himself the most honest man you've ever met, just so, so honest, just amazingly honest?

                            Jesus.

                            I said crooks, not blokes who seemed a bit fishy.

                            I was only joking

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                            • C Catseye3
                              19 Jan 2021, 20:38

                              @loki said in Pardonpalooza:

                              I’d like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.

                              When you find it, post it here, mkay? 😀

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                              Loki
                              wrote on 19 Jan 2021, 20:48 last edited by
                              #30

                              @catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:

                              @loki said in Pardonpalooza:

                              I’d like to see specifics on where Trump has departed on what type of person got pardoned historically and the relative size of their transgressions.

                              When you find it, post it here, mkay? 😀

                              I’ll pick an easy one to start, Papadopoulus.

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                              • C Catseye3
                                19 Jan 2021, 18:29

                                CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy

                                "The Founding Fathers would have been disgusted by President Donald Trump's serial abuse of the pardon power. Nearly 90% of his pardons to date have gone to friends or politically connected allies -- including corrupt politicians. While the President's pardon power may seem unconstrained by the Constitution, a closer look shows that Trump is violating every principle the framers of the Constitution assumed would be followed by a principled President -- and there's evidence they intended special constraints on a President's pardon power after they'd been impeached."

                                Though this initial paragraph addresses the head, the rest of the article discusses the interesting debate amongst the Framers on Presidential pardons.

                                I.e., George Mason argued that the President "ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself... If he has the power of granting pardons before indictment, or conviction, may he not stop inquiry and prevent detection?" Mason warned that this could "destroy the republic."

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                                Copper
                                wrote on 19 Jan 2021, 21:41 last edited by
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                                @catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:

                                CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy

                                Corrupt?

                                Oh, cnn, ok

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on 19 Jan 2021, 22:10 last edited by
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                                  My descent into whataboutism:

                                  https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=Clinton+pardon&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=cnn.com&as_occt=any&safe=images&as_filetype=&tbs=

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote on 20 Jan 2021, 04:16 last edited by
                                    #33

                                    Go Mitch

                                    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                      jon-nyc
                                      wrote on 20 Jan 2021, 04:28 last edited by
                                      #34

                                      Strong rumors...

                                      FB5BC275-CAA9-4EF9-9D3F-09387679D0F8.jpeg

                                      Thank you for your attention to this matter.

                                      K 1 Reply Last reply 20 Jan 2021, 10:28
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                                        jon-nyc
                                        wrote on 20 Jan 2021, 04:38 last edited by
                                        #35

                                        Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                        • C Copper
                                          19 Jan 2021, 21:41

                                          @catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:

                                          CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy

                                          Corrupt?

                                          Oh, cnn, ok

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                                          kluurs
                                          wrote on 20 Jan 2021, 04:46 last edited by kluurs
                                          #36

                                          @copper said in Pardonpalooza:

                                          @catseye3 said in Pardonpalooza:

                                          CNN: Trump's sordid pardons cement his corrupt legacy

                                          Corrupt?

                                          Oh, cnn, ok

                                          At least wait until he pardons satan. Cable news is the WWE of news.

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