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Sokolov's Rach 2

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    George K
    wrote on 15 Dec 2020, 12:34 last edited by
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    Thanks for linking that, Jon. I've been a fan for a long time as well. I love his "Sokolov in Paris" videos. He is such a huge bear of a man, and yes, he can get the quietest parts out so well.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Klaus
      wrote on 15 Dec 2020, 13:00 last edited by
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      One of my favorite Sokolov interpretations.

      Link to video

      The control and fresheness is incredible. I believe this is originally a piece for cembalo with two manuals, which explains the permanent crossing.

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      • K Klaus
        15 Dec 2020, 10:42

        Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.

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        jon-nyc
        wrote on 15 Dec 2020, 13:02 last edited by
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        @klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

        Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.

        But what do you do after day 4?

        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
        -Cormac McCarthy

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          15 Dec 2020, 13:02

          @klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

          Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.

          But what do you do after day 4?

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          Klaus
          wrote on 15 Dec 2020, 13:04 last edited by
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          @jon-nyc said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

          @klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

          Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.

          But what do you do after day 4?

          Spend another (less enjoyable) four days on Opus Clavicembalisticum.

          Top it off with a day of "Vexations".

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            George K
            wrote on 15 Dec 2020, 13:04 last edited by
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            Does he hit a couple of clunkers at 31:34 or so (using the YouTube timer, not the onscreen timer)?

            @Klaus , yes. It's fantastic, isn't it.

            I remember reading criticisms of the Prokofiev 8 in that concert. The "Agitato" was too slow, many complained. But, the deliberateness, and power was overwhelming.

            That's the word: deliberate. Everything he does is like that. His fingers like pistons.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • K Klaus
              15 Dec 2020, 13:04

              @jon-nyc said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

              @klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

              Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.

              But what do you do after day 4?

              Spend another (less enjoyable) four days on Opus Clavicembalisticum.

              Top it off with a day of "Vexations".

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on 15 Dec 2020, 13:06 last edited by
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              @klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

              @jon-nyc said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

              @klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

              Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.

              But what do you do after day 4?

              Spend another (less enjoyable) four days on Opus Clavicembalisticum.

              Top it off with a day of "Vexations".

              At this point in my piano journey it would be unfair to consider them sight reads.

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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              • J jon-nyc
                15 Dec 2020, 13:06

                @klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                @jon-nyc said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                @klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.

                But what do you do after day 4?

                Spend another (less enjoyable) four days on Opus Clavicembalisticum.

                Top it off with a day of "Vexations".

                At this point in my piano journey it would be unfair to consider them sight reads.

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                89th
                wrote on 15 Dec 2020, 13:57 last edited by
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                @jon-nyc great video thanks!

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                  89th
                  wrote on 15 Dec 2020, 13:58 last edited by
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                  01655C8A-9538-4244-9871-5AC1DE3E11C2.jpeg

                  Look, this is what The Coffee Room (TCR) looked like way back before we destroyed the place. We used to play a Rach concerto for fun!

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                    15 Dec 2020, 13:58

                    01655C8A-9538-4244-9871-5AC1DE3E11C2.jpeg

                    Look, this is what The Coffee Room (TCR) looked like way back before we destroyed the place. We used to play a Rach concerto for fun!

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                    George K
                    wrote on 15 Dec 2020, 14:12 last edited by
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                    @89th 😆

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • G George K
                      15 Dec 2020, 13:04

                      Does he hit a couple of clunkers at 31:34 or so (using the YouTube timer, not the onscreen timer)?

                      @Klaus , yes. It's fantastic, isn't it.

                      I remember reading criticisms of the Prokofiev 8 in that concert. The "Agitato" was too slow, many complained. But, the deliberateness, and power was overwhelming.

                      That's the word: deliberate. Everything he does is like that. His fingers like pistons.

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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on 15 Dec 2020, 15:45 last edited by
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                      @george-k said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                      Does he hit a couple of clunkers at 31:34 or so (using the YouTube timer, not the onscreen timer)?

                      He sure does.

                      Remember he doesn't like to record, he likes to play in front of live audience.

                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                        SD Tav
                        wrote on 15 Dec 2020, 20:51 last edited by
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                        A superb performance. I've always liked Sokolov's playing, especially his live performance of the Chopin Preludes. One of the best I've ever heard. I have to admit liking Rubinstein's Rach 2 even though it might lack the passion of Sokolov's performance. I think it's because it was the very first LP I collected of this work. Recorded with Reiner and the Chicago SO.

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