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Sokolov's Rach 2

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  • KlausK Offline
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    Klaus
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    Yep, Sokolov rocks.

    Luckily he comes to my town once every year. The concert is always booked out months in advance.

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      AndyD
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      All wonderful players.
      Ever heard a piece, not too long, maybe 5-7 pages, thought wow, I'd like to learn that; get the music, go onto youtube and after a few pleasurable hours decide on 'the best' version to copy, make a start?
      Then a few weeks into practice realise there are a few sections that are deceptively difficult, perhaps beyond your level LOL.

      I can't even imagine starting to learn a concerto like this.

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        Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.

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        • kluursK kluurs

          @jon-nyc Sadly, YouTube will toss in commercials. If you've got access to one of the services that doesn't have commercials - even better. It is a desert island disc for me.

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          @kluurs said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

          @jon-nyc Sadly, YouTube will toss in commercials. If you've got access to one of the services that doesn't have commercials - even better. It is a desert island disc for me.

          I assume you’re talking about the Sokolov? And you have the CD?

          It truly is worth watching just to see his hands.

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            Thanks for linking that, Jon. I've been a fan for a long time as well. I love his "Sokolov in Paris" videos. He is such a huge bear of a man, and yes, he can get the quietest parts out so well.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              Klaus
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              #12

              One of my favorite Sokolov interpretations.

              Link to video

              The control and fresheness is incredible. I believe this is originally a piece for cembalo with two manuals, which explains the permanent crossing.

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              • KlausK Klaus

                Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.

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                @klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.

                But what do you do after day 4?

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  @klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                  Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.

                  But what do you do after day 4?

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                  @jon-nyc said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                  @klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                  Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.

                  But what do you do after day 4?

                  Spend another (less enjoyable) four days on Opus Clavicembalisticum.

                  Top it off with a day of "Vexations".

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                    George K
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                    Does he hit a couple of clunkers at 31:34 or so (using the YouTube timer, not the onscreen timer)?

                    @Klaus , yes. It's fantastic, isn't it.

                    I remember reading criticisms of the Prokofiev 8 in that concert. The "Agitato" was too slow, many complained. But, the deliberateness, and power was overwhelming.

                    That's the word: deliberate. Everything he does is like that. His fingers like pistons.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • KlausK Klaus

                      @jon-nyc said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                      @klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                      Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.

                      But what do you do after day 4?

                      Spend another (less enjoyable) four days on Opus Clavicembalisticum.

                      Top it off with a day of "Vexations".

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                      jon-nyc
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                      #16

                      @klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                      @jon-nyc said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                      @klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                      Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.

                      But what do you do after day 4?

                      Spend another (less enjoyable) four days on Opus Clavicembalisticum.

                      Top it off with a day of "Vexations".

                      At this point in my piano journey it would be unfair to consider them sight reads.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        @klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                        @jon-nyc said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                        @klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                        Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.

                        But what do you do after day 4?

                        Spend another (less enjoyable) four days on Opus Clavicembalisticum.

                        Top it off with a day of "Vexations".

                        At this point in my piano journey it would be unfair to consider them sight reads.

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                        89th
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                        @jon-nyc great video thanks!

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                          89th
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                          Look, this is what The Coffee Room (TCR) looked like way back before we destroyed the place. We used to play a Rach concerto for fun!

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                          • 89th8 89th

                            01655C8A-9538-4244-9871-5AC1DE3E11C2.jpeg

                            Look, this is what The Coffee Room (TCR) looked like way back before we destroyed the place. We used to play a Rach concerto for fun!

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                            George K
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                            @89th 😆

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              Does he hit a couple of clunkers at 31:34 or so (using the YouTube timer, not the onscreen timer)?

                              @Klaus , yes. It's fantastic, isn't it.

                              I remember reading criticisms of the Prokofiev 8 in that concert. The "Agitato" was too slow, many complained. But, the deliberateness, and power was overwhelming.

                              That's the word: deliberate. Everything he does is like that. His fingers like pistons.

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                              jon-nyc
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                              @george-k said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                              Does he hit a couple of clunkers at 31:34 or so (using the YouTube timer, not the onscreen timer)?

                              He sure does.

                              Remember he doesn't like to record, he likes to play in front of live audience.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

                              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                A superb performance. I've always liked Sokolov's playing, especially his live performance of the Chopin Preludes. One of the best I've ever heard. I have to admit liking Rubinstein's Rach 2 even though it might lack the passion of Sokolov's performance. I think it's because it was the very first LP I collected of this work. Recorded with Reiner and the Chicago SO.

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