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Sokolov's Rach 2

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    AndyD
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    All wonderful players.
    Ever heard a piece, not too long, maybe 5-7 pages, thought wow, I'd like to learn that; get the music, go onto youtube and after a few pleasurable hours decide on 'the best' version to copy, make a start?
    Then a few weeks into practice realise there are a few sections that are deceptively difficult, perhaps beyond your level LOL.

    I can't even imagine starting to learn a concerto like this.

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      Klaus
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      Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.

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        @jon-nyc Sadly, YouTube will toss in commercials. If you've got access to one of the services that doesn't have commercials - even better. It is a desert island disc for me.

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        @kluurs said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

        @jon-nyc Sadly, YouTube will toss in commercials. If you've got access to one of the services that doesn't have commercials - even better. It is a desert island disc for me.

        I assume you’re talking about the Sokolov? And you have the CD?

        It truly is worth watching just to see his hands.

        Only non-witches get due process.

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          George K
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          Thanks for linking that, Jon. I've been a fan for a long time as well. I love his "Sokolov in Paris" videos. He is such a huge bear of a man, and yes, he can get the quietest parts out so well.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            Klaus
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            One of my favorite Sokolov interpretations.

            Link to video

            The control and fresheness is incredible. I believe this is originally a piece for cembalo with two manuals, which explains the permanent crossing.

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            • KlausK Klaus

              Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.

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              jon-nyc
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              @klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

              Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.

              But what do you do after day 4?

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                @klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.

                But what do you do after day 4?

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                Klaus
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                @jon-nyc said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                @klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.

                But what do you do after day 4?

                Spend another (less enjoyable) four days on Opus Clavicembalisticum.

                Top it off with a day of "Vexations".

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                  George K
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                  Does he hit a couple of clunkers at 31:34 or so (using the YouTube timer, not the onscreen timer)?

                  @Klaus , yes. It's fantastic, isn't it.

                  I remember reading criticisms of the Prokofiev 8 in that concert. The "Agitato" was too slow, many complained. But, the deliberateness, and power was overwhelming.

                  That's the word: deliberate. Everything he does is like that. His fingers like pistons.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • KlausK Klaus

                    @jon-nyc said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                    @klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                    Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.

                    But what do you do after day 4?

                    Spend another (less enjoyable) four days on Opus Clavicembalisticum.

                    Top it off with a day of "Vexations".

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                    jon-nyc
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                    @klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                    @jon-nyc said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                    @klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                    Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.

                    But what do you do after day 4?

                    Spend another (less enjoyable) four days on Opus Clavicembalisticum.

                    Top it off with a day of "Vexations".

                    At this point in my piano journey it would be unfair to consider them sight reads.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      @klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                      @jon-nyc said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                      @klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                      Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.

                      But what do you do after day 4?

                      Spend another (less enjoyable) four days on Opus Clavicembalisticum.

                      Top it off with a day of "Vexations".

                      At this point in my piano journey it would be unfair to consider them sight reads.

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                      89th
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                      @jon-nyc great video thanks!

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                        89th
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                        Look, this is what The Coffee Room (TCR) looked like way back before we destroyed the place. We used to play a Rach concerto for fun!

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                        • 89th8 89th

                          01655C8A-9538-4244-9871-5AC1DE3E11C2.jpeg

                          Look, this is what The Coffee Room (TCR) looked like way back before we destroyed the place. We used to play a Rach concerto for fun!

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                          George K
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                          @89th 😆

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            Does he hit a couple of clunkers at 31:34 or so (using the YouTube timer, not the onscreen timer)?

                            @Klaus , yes. It's fantastic, isn't it.

                            I remember reading criticisms of the Prokofiev 8 in that concert. The "Agitato" was too slow, many complained. But, the deliberateness, and power was overwhelming.

                            That's the word: deliberate. Everything he does is like that. His fingers like pistons.

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                            @george-k said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                            Does he hit a couple of clunkers at 31:34 or so (using the YouTube timer, not the onscreen timer)?

                            He sure does.

                            Remember he doesn't like to record, he likes to play in front of live audience.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                              A superb performance. I've always liked Sokolov's playing, especially his live performance of the Chopin Preludes. One of the best I've ever heard. I have to admit liking Rubinstein's Rach 2 even though it might lack the passion of Sokolov's performance. I think it's because it was the very first LP I collected of this work. Recorded with Reiner and the Chicago SO.

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