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Sokolov's Rach 2

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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
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    Look, for example, at 17:20.

    A relatively 'quiet' part but you can see the force he plays with.

    Must be a challenge getting dynamic range right in such a setting.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      I'm still watching this.

      This is the most satisfying video of the piece I've ever seen, if only because of the camera angles.

      And yeah, Sokolov rocks.

      Won the fucking Tchaikovsky competition at 16. Jesus.

      Only non-witches get due process.

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        kluurs
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        #4

        Sokolov is great - still think Richter owns the piece.

        Link to video

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          #5

          I'll give it a listen.

          To be honest my favorite might be Van Cliburn.

          Here's a newish recording by Hoachen Zhang, the (co) winner of the 2009 Cliburn with the Philadelphia Orchestra.

          It's quite good.

          Link to video

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            I'll give it a listen.

            To be honest my favorite might be Van Cliburn.

            Here's a newish recording by Hoachen Zhang, the (co) winner of the 2009 Cliburn with the Philadelphia Orchestra.

            It's quite good.

            Link to video

            kluursK Online
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            kluurs
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            #6

            @jon-nyc Sadly, YouTube will toss in commercials. If you've got access to one of the services that doesn't have commercials - even better. It is a desert island disc for me.

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              Klaus
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              #7

              Yep, Sokolov rocks.

              Luckily he comes to my town once every year. The concert is always booked out months in advance.

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                All wonderful players.
                Ever heard a piece, not too long, maybe 5-7 pages, thought wow, I'd like to learn that; get the music, go onto youtube and after a few pleasurable hours decide on 'the best' version to copy, make a start?
                Then a few weeks into practice realise there are a few sections that are deceptively difficult, perhaps beyond your level LOL.

                I can't even imagine starting to learn a concerto like this.

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                • KlausK Offline
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                  Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.

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                  • kluursK kluurs

                    @jon-nyc Sadly, YouTube will toss in commercials. If you've got access to one of the services that doesn't have commercials - even better. It is a desert island disc for me.

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                    @kluurs said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                    @jon-nyc Sadly, YouTube will toss in commercials. If you've got access to one of the services that doesn't have commercials - even better. It is a desert island disc for me.

                    I assume you’re talking about the Sokolov? And you have the CD?

                    It truly is worth watching just to see his hands.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    • George KG Offline
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                      Thanks for linking that, Jon. I've been a fan for a long time as well. I love his "Sokolov in Paris" videos. He is such a huge bear of a man, and yes, he can get the quietest parts out so well.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        #12

                        One of my favorite Sokolov interpretations.

                        Link to video

                        The control and fresheness is incredible. I believe this is originally a piece for cembalo with two manuals, which explains the permanent crossing.

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                        • KlausK Klaus

                          Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.

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                          @klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                          Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.

                          But what do you do after day 4?

                          Only non-witches get due process.

                          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                            @klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                            Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.

                            But what do you do after day 4?

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                            @jon-nyc said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                            @klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                            Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.

                            But what do you do after day 4?

                            Spend another (less enjoyable) four days on Opus Clavicembalisticum.

                            Top it off with a day of "Vexations".

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                              George K
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                              Does he hit a couple of clunkers at 31:34 or so (using the YouTube timer, not the onscreen timer)?

                              @Klaus , yes. It's fantastic, isn't it.

                              I remember reading criticisms of the Prokofiev 8 in that concert. The "Agitato" was too slow, many complained. But, the deliberateness, and power was overwhelming.

                              That's the word: deliberate. Everything he does is like that. His fingers like pistons.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • KlausK Klaus

                                @jon-nyc said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                                @klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                                Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.

                                But what do you do after day 4?

                                Spend another (less enjoyable) four days on Opus Clavicembalisticum.

                                Top it off with a day of "Vexations".

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                                jon-nyc
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                                @klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                                @jon-nyc said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                                @klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                                Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.

                                But what do you do after day 4?

                                Spend another (less enjoyable) four days on Opus Clavicembalisticum.

                                Top it off with a day of "Vexations".

                                At this point in my piano journey it would be unfair to consider them sight reads.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  @klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                                  @jon-nyc said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                                  @klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                                  Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.

                                  But what do you do after day 4?

                                  Spend another (less enjoyable) four days on Opus Clavicembalisticum.

                                  Top it off with a day of "Vexations".

                                  At this point in my piano journey it would be unfair to consider them sight reads.

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                                  89th
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                                  #17

                                  @jon-nyc great video thanks!

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                                    89th
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                                    01655C8A-9538-4244-9871-5AC1DE3E11C2.jpeg

                                    Look, this is what The Coffee Room (TCR) looked like way back before we destroyed the place. We used to play a Rach concerto for fun!

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                                    • 89th8 89th

                                      01655C8A-9538-4244-9871-5AC1DE3E11C2.jpeg

                                      Look, this is what The Coffee Room (TCR) looked like way back before we destroyed the place. We used to play a Rach concerto for fun!

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                                      George K
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                                      #19

                                      @89th 😆

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • George KG George K

                                        Does he hit a couple of clunkers at 31:34 or so (using the YouTube timer, not the onscreen timer)?

                                        @Klaus , yes. It's fantastic, isn't it.

                                        I remember reading criticisms of the Prokofiev 8 in that concert. The "Agitato" was too slow, many complained. But, the deliberateness, and power was overwhelming.

                                        That's the word: deliberate. Everything he does is like that. His fingers like pistons.

                                        jon-nycJ Offline
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                                        jon-nyc
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #20

                                        @george-k said in Sokolov's Rach 2:

                                        Does he hit a couple of clunkers at 31:34 or so (using the YouTube timer, not the onscreen timer)?

                                        He sure does.

                                        Remember he doesn't like to record, he likes to play in front of live audience.

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

                                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                          A superb performance. I've always liked Sokolov's playing, especially his live performance of the Chopin Preludes. One of the best I've ever heard. I have to admit liking Rubinstein's Rach 2 even though it might lack the passion of Sokolov's performance. I think it's because it was the very first LP I collected of this work. Recorded with Reiner and the Chicago SO.

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