The Ukraine war thread
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Still early to tell.
But what I am hearing is saying that Zelenskyi made Trump an offer last week that amounts to an end run on Putin. It’s beginning to come clear as there are indications that the US will become the owner of the Ukrainian energy grid throughout the country. That means US has total ownership of all Ukrainian nuclear power plants, electrical and possibly oil and gas infrastructure- not sure about the o&g.
Let’s see how this plays out, I doubt very much that the initiative came from the US side. The chatter I receive suggests Kyiv, Warsaw and Helsinki. But, time will tell. It flys right into Putin’s face. I hope it does, the bastard has no intention to negotiate anything.
If it works then Trump might have to share that Nobel with Zekenskyi, who probably came up with the idea in the first place.
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Appears that I spoke too soon about the Ukrainian power grid:
Trump said the United States could own and run Ukraine’s nuclear power plants, the latest in a series of proposals he has made to the war-torn country, reliant on Washington’s support to fend off the Russian invasion.
“We will not discuss it. We have 15 nuclear power units in operation today. This all belongs to our state,” Zelensky told a news conference in Oslo, where he held talks with Norway’s Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Store.
He said the nuclear plants legally belonged to the Ukrainian people but that Kyiv was open to US investment once Ukraine got back control of the Zaporizhzhia plant, seized by Russian troops at the start of the war.
“If they want to take it back from the Russians, if they want to modernize it, invest – this is a different question, this is an open question, we can talk about it,” Zelensky added.
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/49297
President Volodymyr Zelensky said on March 19 that he had discussed with U.S. President Donald Trump the possibility of U.S. assistance in restoring the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, the largest nuclear facility in Europe, currently under Russian occupation.
"Water supply, technical staff, and many more steps to ensure that in a year and a half to two and a half, the plant starts to bring money and electricity to people. This is my vision," Zelensky said during a Zoom briefing for journalists.
https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-trump-discuss-us-help-in-restoring-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant/
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Appears that I spoke too soon about the Ukrainian power grid:
Trump said the United States could own and run Ukraine’s nuclear power plants, the latest in a series of proposals he has made to the war-torn country, reliant on Washington’s support to fend off the Russian invasion.
“We will not discuss it. We have 15 nuclear power units in operation today. This all belongs to our state,” Zelensky told a news conference in Oslo, where he held talks with Norway’s Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Store.
He said the nuclear plants legally belonged to the Ukrainian people but that Kyiv was open to US investment once Ukraine got back control of the Zaporizhzhia plant, seized by Russian troops at the start of the war.
“If they want to take it back from the Russians, if they want to modernize it, invest – this is a different question, this is an open question, we can talk about it,” Zelensky added.
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/49297
President Volodymyr Zelensky said on March 19 that he had discussed with U.S. President Donald Trump the possibility of U.S. assistance in restoring the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, the largest nuclear facility in Europe, currently under Russian occupation.
"Water supply, technical staff, and many more steps to ensure that in a year and a half to two and a half, the plant starts to bring money and electricity to people. This is my vision," Zelensky said during a Zoom briefing for journalists.
https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-trump-discuss-us-help-in-restoring-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant/
@Renauda I would be pleasantly surprised to see the Russians handing over Zaporizha to the Americans without any restriction.
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@Renauda I would be pleasantly surprised to see the Russians handing over Zaporizha to the Americans without any restriction.
@Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Renauda I would be pleasantly surprised to see the Russians handing over Zaporizha to the Americans without any restriction.
Although an extreme long shot, I don’t think it is entirely out of the question. Time will tell, depends how badly Putin wants this to end.
I remain unconvinced of any sincere desire by Kremlin to concede any of its maximalist terms regarding Ukraine’s future.
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Don’t expect much from the Russians, unlike Washington, they are in no rush to end the bloodshed:
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So… back to what Zelensky was saying in the White House. How do you trust anything Putin says?
@xenon Pretty obvious: not at all.
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“There’s no place [in the U.S. plans] for our main demand today, which is resolving problems related to the root causes of this conflict,” he said.
Russian officials have repeatedly invoked the term “root causes,” which Putin said last June include Ukraine withdrawing from the partially Ukrainian regions and abandoning its NATO bid.
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The carrot is of the Trump Administration's own making and imagination. It holds little, if any, credibility outside of a few minds in Washington and Budapest. The Kremlin however immensely enjoys the black humour of the tragicomedy theatre it offers.
