Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man
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@jon-nyc said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:
Bad legal takes by Copper.
The cemetery is private, not public. I don't know if public accommodation law would apply.
BTW, knowing the folks up in Oberlin, if they really didn't want him in there, they'd just dig him up and sit the body off in the piney woods.
wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 15:27 last edited by Catseye3 2 Jan 2021, 17:08@jolly said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:
The cemetery is private, not public. I don't know if public accommodation law would apply.
It doesn't matter. The custom, law, practice, whatever you want to call it, is antediluvian, it's ugly, and it needs to be done away with out of standards of human decency. If it's law, then we need to change the law.
If we're not sufficiently motivated to change the law, then we should just leave things as they are, and face our true colors.
So to speak.
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wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 15:30 last edited by
And some states allow cemeteries to be defined as public accommodations, others don't. Some say specifically that cemeteries are not public accommodations.
At least that was the case a few years ago.
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wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 15:34 last edited by
At least you're using commas and stuff now.
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wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 16:06 last edited by Doctor Phibes 2 Jan 2021, 16:06
Well, that was fucking weird.
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And some states allow cemeteries to be defined as public accommodations, others don't. Some say specifically that cemeteries are not public accommodations.
At least that was the case a few years ago.
wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 18:33 last edited by@copper said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:
And some states allow cemeteries to be defined as public accommodations, others don't. Some say specifically that cemeteries are not public accommodations.
At least that was the case a few years ago.
Aside from a attempt at a positivist rationalization of the indefensible, just when might that have been? During the Jim Crow era?
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@copper said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:
And some states allow cemeteries to be defined as public accommodations, others don't. Some say specifically that cemeteries are not public accommodations.
At least that was the case a few years ago.
Aside from a attempt at a positivist rationalization of the indefensible, just when might that have been? During the Jim Crow era?
wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 18:53 last edited byNo, within a few years and currently
Private entities can generally do whatever they want concerning who they associate or don’t associate with.
Historically black universities are an example of this, they can limit enrollment to black students
The Burning Tree club in Maryland is an example of an all-male club, many members of Congress belong to this club
Public entities or those defined as public accommodations cannot decide to restrict their membership in the same way
I’m no expert on this, but I can tell you that this thread is a good example of how there is a lot of ignorance concerning this topic, people just love to shout Jim Crow and racist but in general it is ok for you to associate with whoever you want especially in private.
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wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 19:30 last edited by
I'd stop digging, if I were you.
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I'd stop digging, if I were you.
wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 19:44 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:
I'd stop digging, if I were you.
No need
But if it helps you to feel virtuous , please feel free to insinuate whatever you want
I remain comfortable discussing things that would make your HR lady faint
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wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 19:46 last edited by
The right to associate or not to associate is real, but when it comes to organizations not unlimited, usually based on size and exactly how one discriminates in membership. But it is real.
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Doesn't anybody find it the least bit surprising that a cemetery could have this rule in place for decades, and apparently nobody noticed until now?
wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 20:03 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:
Doesn't anybody find it the least bit surprising that a cemetery could have this rule in place for decades, and apparently nobody noticed until now?
Not in Oberlin.
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@doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:
I'd stop digging, if I were you.
No need
But if it helps you to feel virtuous , please feel free to insinuate whatever you want
I remain comfortable discussing things that would make your HR lady faint
wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 20:46 last edited by@copper said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:
@doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:
I'd stop digging, if I were you.
No need
But if it helps you to feel virtuous , please feel free to insinuate whatever you want
I remain comfortable discussing things that would make your HR lady faint
I just think you're in danger of making yourself look like a bit of a twat. I'm only trying to help.
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wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 20:48 last edited by
Why? By saying something may be legal when it very well may be?
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wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 20:59 last edited by
@mik said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:
Why? By saying something may be legal when it very well may be?
Collecting photographs of porcine genitalia is perfectly legal, too. I would hazard a guess that if you stumbled upon a large scrap-book filled with such photography, and your immediate reaction was 'Well, it's PERFECTLY LEGAL YOU KNOW!!!', that eyebrows might be raised.
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wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 21:22 last edited by Renauda 2 Jan 2021, 21:28
Freedom of association? FFS, its a damned cemetery and from what I can gather, a Christian cemetery at that. Full of putrefying Christian corpses that have well moved beyond caring whether or not their neighbour in the next grave or crypt was at one time a black man or woman.
As Cats stated it's antediluvian, an outdated and indefensible rule from a bygone era that was characterized by racism against the negro race. This is 2021 such rules have no place anywhere in any jurisdiction in North America, especially the USA.
As to whether I sound virtuous, I really don't care. I just consider the source of the epithet and nod my head. I'd much rather sound virtuous than like a George Wallace, who is exactly what some folks here sound like while they spin their nonsense.
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@copper said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:
@doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:
I'd stop digging, if I were you.
No need
But if it helps you to feel virtuous , please feel free to insinuate whatever you want
I remain comfortable discussing things that would make your HR lady faint
I just think you're in danger of making yourself look like a bit of a twat. I'm only trying to help.
wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 21:25 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:
@copper said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:
@doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:
I'd stop digging, if I were you.
No need
But if it helps you to feel virtuous , please feel free to insinuate whatever you want
I remain comfortable discussing things that would make your HR lady faint
I just think you're in danger of making yourself look like a bit of a twat. I'm only trying to help.
Get this
I am neither for nor against diversity in this forum
Sorry, I’m sure you’ll be crawling around looking for your pearls for a while.
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@mik said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:
Why? By saying something may be legal when it very well may be?
Collecting photographs of porcine genitalia is perfectly legal, too. I would hazard a guess that if you stumbled upon a large scrap-book filled with such photography, and your immediate reaction was 'Well, it's PERFECTLY LEGAL YOU KNOW!!!', that eyebrows might be raised.
wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 22:02 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:
@mik said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:
Why? By saying something may be legal when it very well may be?
Collecting photographs of porcine genitalia is perfectly legal, too. I would hazard a guess that if you stumbled upon a large scrap-book filled with such photography, and your immediate reaction was 'Well, it's PERFECTLY LEGAL YOU KNOW!!!', that eyebrows might be raised.
Are you daydrinking?
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@doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:
@mik said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:
Why? By saying something may be legal when it very well may be?
Collecting photographs of porcine genitalia is perfectly legal, too. I would hazard a guess that if you stumbled upon a large scrap-book filled with such photography, and your immediate reaction was 'Well, it's PERFECTLY LEGAL YOU KNOW!!!', that eyebrows might be raised.
Are you daydrinking?
wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 22:05 last edited by@mik said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:
Are you daydrinking?
I am, NTTAWWT.
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@doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:
@mik said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:
Why? By saying something may be legal when it very well may be?
Collecting photographs of porcine genitalia is perfectly legal, too. I would hazard a guess that if you stumbled upon a large scrap-book filled with such photography, and your immediate reaction was 'Well, it's PERFECTLY LEGAL YOU KNOW!!!', that eyebrows might be raised.
Are you daydrinking?
wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 22:58 last edited by@mik said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:
@doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:
@mik said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:
Why? By saying something may be legal when it very well may be?
Collecting photographs of porcine genitalia is perfectly legal, too. I would hazard a guess that if you stumbled upon a large scrap-book filled with such photography, and your immediate reaction was 'Well, it's PERFECTLY LEGAL YOU KNOW!!!', that eyebrows might be raised.
Are you daydrinking?
Do you think it would help?
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@mik said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:
@doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:
@mik said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:
Why? By saying something may be legal when it very well may be?
Collecting photographs of porcine genitalia is perfectly legal, too. I would hazard a guess that if you stumbled upon a large scrap-book filled with such photography, and your immediate reaction was 'Well, it's PERFECTLY LEGAL YOU KNOW!!!', that eyebrows might be raised.
Are you daydrinking?
Do you think it would help?
wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 23:00 last edited by@doctor-phibes probably.
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Freedom of association? FFS, its a damned cemetery and from what I can gather, a Christian cemetery at that. Full of putrefying Christian corpses that have well moved beyond caring whether or not their neighbour in the next grave or crypt was at one time a black man or woman.
As Cats stated it's antediluvian, an outdated and indefensible rule from a bygone era that was characterized by racism against the negro race. This is 2021 such rules have no place anywhere in any jurisdiction in North America, especially the USA.
As to whether I sound virtuous, I really don't care. I just consider the source of the epithet and nod my head. I'd much rather sound virtuous than like a George Wallace, who is exactly what some folks here sound like while they spin their nonsense.
wrote on 1 Feb 2021, 23:22 last edited by@renauda said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:
Freedom of association? FFS, its a damned cemetery and from what I can gather, a Christian cemetery at that. Full of putrefying Christian corpses that have well moved beyond caring whether or not their neighbour in the next grave or crypt was at one time a black man or woman.
As Cats stated it's antediluvian, an outdated and indefensible rule from a bygone era that was characterized by racism against the negro race. This is 2021 such rules have no place anywhere in any jurisdiction in North America, especially the USA.
As to whether I sound virtuous, I really don't care. I just consider the source of the epithet and nod my head. I'd much rather sound virtuous than like a George Wallace, who is exactly what some folks here sound like while they spin their nonsense.
That makes it more interesting and launches this issue into my wheelhouse. I've been involved with cemetery stuff at the church for the last couple of years. If it's a private cemetery, the by-laws apply and not public accommodation laws.
Right or wrong, the 81 year-old lady was pointing out what was on the books. Don't like it? Bring it before the church and have the rules changed.
And apparently, that's what happened. You can now all dig your panties out of the crack of your collective asses....