Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man

[Aqua Letifer]

@copper said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

@aqua-letifer said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

@mik said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

@aqua-letifer I believe that is exactly what happened, is it not?

Copper's calling for continued segregation.

I'm calling for understanding the law, not just calling names

I accuse you of ignorance

That means a lot to me and it hurts me inside.

[Copper]

@doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

@copper said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

I'm calling for understanding the law, not just calling names

Saying this is a racist practice isn't name-calling, it's a statement of fact.

The question is whether it is legal

And of course we would like all the facts before making an accusation of something as not-nice as racism

Did you know that there has been a discussion over the last several centuries about the relative importance of rights to free assembly, freedom of association and racism? Whether these activities are public or private makes a difference.

There is a lot more to it than just screaming racism at people who don't have a racist bone in their body.

But I must say we all recognize virtue whenever someone screams racism.

[Copper]

@mik said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

Can a Catholic cemetery only bury Catholics?

Check the invoice.

[Catseye3]

@jolly said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

The cemetery is private, not public. I don't know if public accommodation law would apply.

It doesn't matter. The custom, law, practice, whatever you want to call it, is antediluvian, it's ugly, and it needs to be done away with out of standards of human decency. If it's law, then we need to change the law.

If we're not sufficiently motivated to change the law, then we should just leave things as they are, and face our true colors.

So to speak.

[Copper]

And some states allow cemeteries to be defined as public accommodations, others don't. Some say specifically that cemeteries are not public accommodations.

At least that was the case a few years ago.

[Aqua Letifer]

At least you're using commas and stuff now.

[Doctor Phibes]

Well, that was fucking weird.

[Renauda]

@copper said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

And some states allow cemeteries to be defined as public accommodations, others don't. Some say specifically that cemeteries are not public accommodations.

At least that was the case a few years ago.

Aside from a attempt at a positivist rationalization of the indefensible, just when might that have been? During the Jim Crow era?

[Copper]

No, within a few years and currently

Private entities can generally do whatever they want concerning who they associate or don’t associate with.

Historically black universities are an example of this, they can limit enrollment to black students

The Burning Tree club in Maryland is an example of an all-male club, many members of Congress belong to this club

Public entities or those defined as public accommodations cannot decide to restrict their membership in the same way

I’m no expert on this, but I can tell you that this thread is a good example of how there is a lot of ignorance concerning this topic, people just love to shout Jim Crow and racist but in general it is ok for you to associate with whoever you want especially in private.

[Doctor Phibes]

I'd stop digging, if I were you.

[Copper]

@doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

I'd stop digging, if I were you.

No need

But if it helps you to feel virtuous , please feel free to insinuate whatever you want

I remain comfortable discussing things that would make your HR lady faint

[Mik]

The right to associate or not to associate is real, but when it comes to organizations not unlimited, usually based on size and exactly how one discriminates in membership. But it is real.

[Jolly]

@doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

Doesn't anybody find it the least bit surprising that a cemetery could have this rule in place for decades, and apparently nobody noticed until now?

Not in Oberlin.

[Doctor Phibes]

@copper said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

@doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

I'd stop digging, if I were you.

No need

But if it helps you to feel virtuous , please feel free to insinuate whatever you want

I remain comfortable discussing things that would make your HR lady faint

I just think you're in danger of making yourself look like a bit of a twat. I'm only trying to help.

[Mik]

Why? By saying something may be legal when it very well may be?

[Doctor Phibes]

@mik said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

Why? By saying something may be legal when it very well may be?

Collecting photographs of porcine genitalia is perfectly legal, too. I would hazard a guess that if you stumbled upon a large scrap-book filled with such photography, and your immediate reaction was 'Well, it's PERFECTLY LEGAL YOU KNOW!!!', that eyebrows might be raised.

[Renauda]

Freedom of association? FFS, its a damned cemetery and from what I can gather, a Christian cemetery at that. Full of putrefying Christian corpses that have well moved beyond caring whether or not their neighbour in the next grave or crypt was at one time a black man or woman.

As Cats stated it's antediluvian, an outdated and indefensible rule from a bygone era that was characterized by racism against the negro race. This is 2021 such rules have no place anywhere in any jurisdiction in North America, especially the USA.

As to whether I sound virtuous, I really don't care. I just consider the source of the epithet and nod my head. I'd much rather sound virtuous than like a George Wallace, who is exactly what some folks here sound like while they spin their nonsense.

[Copper]

@doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

@copper said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

@doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

I'd stop digging, if I were you.

No need

But if it helps you to feel virtuous , please feel free to insinuate whatever you want

I remain comfortable discussing things that would make your HR lady faint

I just think you're in danger of making yourself look like a bit of a twat. I'm only trying to help.

Get this

I am neither for nor against diversity in this forum

Sorry, I’m sure you’ll be crawling around looking for your pearls for a while.

[Mik]

@doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

@mik said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

Why? By saying something may be legal when it very well may be?

Collecting photographs of porcine genitalia is perfectly legal, too. I would hazard a guess that if you stumbled upon a large scrap-book filled with such photography, and your immediate reaction was 'Well, it's PERFECTLY LEGAL YOU KNOW!!!', that eyebrows might be raised.

Are you daydrinking?

[George K]

@mik said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

Are you daydrinking?

I am, NTTAWWT.