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Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man

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  • MikM Mik

    @aqua-letifer I believe that is exactly what happened, is it not?

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    Aqua Letifer
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    #18

    @mik said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

    @aqua-letifer I believe that is exactly what happened, is it not?

    Copper's calling for continued segregation.

    Please love yourself.

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    • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

      @mik said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

      @aqua-letifer I believe that is exactly what happened, is it not?

      Copper's calling for continued segregation.

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      Copper
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      #19

      @aqua-letifer said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

      @mik said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

      @aqua-letifer I believe that is exactly what happened, is it not?

      Copper's calling for continued segregation.

      I'm calling for understanding the law, not just calling names

      I accuse you of ignorance

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        Doctor Phibes
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        #20

        Doesn't anybody find it the least bit surprising that a cemetery could have this rule in place for decades, and apparently nobody noticed until now?

        I was only joking

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        • CopperC Copper

          @aqua-letifer said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

          @mik said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

          @aqua-letifer I believe that is exactly what happened, is it not?

          Copper's calling for continued segregation.

          I'm calling for understanding the law, not just calling names

          I accuse you of ignorance

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          Doctor Phibes
          wrote on last edited by
          #21

          @copper said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

          I'm calling for understanding the law, not just calling names

          Saying this is a racist practice isn't name-calling, it's a statement of fact.

          I was only joking

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            @jolly said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

            @jon-nyc said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

            Bad legal takes by Copper.

            The cemetery is private, not public. I don't know if public accommodation law would apply.

            Indeed it does. Just like for the restaurants.

            I provided a helpful link above defining public accommodation.

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            Copper
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            @jon-nyc said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

            @jolly said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

            @jon-nyc said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

            Bad legal takes by Copper.

            The cemetery is private, not public. I don't know if public accommodation law would apply.

            Indeed it does. Just like for the restaurants.

            I provided a helpful link above defining public accommodation.

            Actually the page linked does not mention cemeteries

            It is not helpful

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              Can a Catholic cemetery only bury Catholics?

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • CopperC Copper

                @aqua-letifer said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                @mik said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                @aqua-letifer I believe that is exactly what happened, is it not?

                Copper's calling for continued segregation.

                I'm calling for understanding the law, not just calling names

                I accuse you of ignorance

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                Aqua Letifer
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                #24

                @copper said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                @aqua-letifer said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                @mik said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                @aqua-letifer I believe that is exactly what happened, is it not?

                Copper's calling for continued segregation.

                I'm calling for understanding the law, not just calling names

                I accuse you of ignorance

                That means a lot to me and it hurts me inside.

                Please love yourself.

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                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                  @copper said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                  I'm calling for understanding the law, not just calling names

                  Saying this is a racist practice isn't name-calling, it's a statement of fact.

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                  Copper
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                  @doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                  @copper said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                  I'm calling for understanding the law, not just calling names

                  Saying this is a racist practice isn't name-calling, it's a statement of fact.

                  The question is whether it is legal

                  And of course we would like all the facts before making an accusation of something as not-nice as racism

                  Did you know that there has been a discussion over the last several centuries about the relative importance of rights to free assembly, freedom of association and racism? Whether these activities are public or private makes a difference.

                  There is a lot more to it than just screaming racism at people who don't have a racist bone in their body.

                  But I must say we all recognize virtue whenever someone screams racism.

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                  • MikM Mik

                    Can a Catholic cemetery only bury Catholics?

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                    #26

                    @mik said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                    Can a Catholic cemetery only bury Catholics?

                    Check the invoice.

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      @jon-nyc said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                      Bad legal takes by Copper.

                      The cemetery is private, not public. I don't know if public accommodation law would apply.

                      BTW, knowing the folks up in Oberlin, if they really didn't want him in there, they'd just dig him up and sit the body off in the piney woods.

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                      #27

                      @jolly said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                      The cemetery is private, not public. I don't know if public accommodation law would apply.

                      It doesn't matter. The custom, law, practice, whatever you want to call it, is antediluvian, it's ugly, and it needs to be done away with out of standards of human decency. If it's law, then we need to change the law.

                      If we're not sufficiently motivated to change the law, then we should just leave things as they are, and face our true colors.

                      So to speak.

                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                        #28

                        And some states allow cemeteries to be defined as public accommodations, others don't. Some say specifically that cemeteries are not public accommodations.

                        At least that was the case a few years ago.

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                          Aqua Letifer
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                          #29

                          At least you're using commas and stuff now.

                          Please love yourself.

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                            Doctor Phibes
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                            #30

                            Well, that was fucking weird.

                            I was only joking

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                            • CopperC Copper

                              And some states allow cemeteries to be defined as public accommodations, others don't. Some say specifically that cemeteries are not public accommodations.

                              At least that was the case a few years ago.

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                              Renauda
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                              @copper said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                              And some states allow cemeteries to be defined as public accommodations, others don't. Some say specifically that cemeteries are not public accommodations.

                              At least that was the case a few years ago.

                              Aside from a attempt at a positivist rationalization of the indefensible, just when might that have been? During the Jim Crow era?

                              Elbows up!

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                              • RenaudaR Renauda

                                @copper said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                                And some states allow cemeteries to be defined as public accommodations, others don't. Some say specifically that cemeteries are not public accommodations.

                                At least that was the case a few years ago.

                                Aside from a attempt at a positivist rationalization of the indefensible, just when might that have been? During the Jim Crow era?

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                                Copper
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                                No, within a few years and currently

                                Private entities can generally do whatever they want concerning who they associate or don’t associate with.

                                Historically black universities are an example of this, they can limit enrollment to black students

                                The Burning Tree club in Maryland is an example of an all-male club, many members of Congress belong to this club

                                Public entities or those defined as public accommodations cannot decide to restrict their membership in the same way

                                I’m no expert on this, but I can tell you that this thread is a good example of how there is a lot of ignorance concerning this topic, people just love to shout Jim Crow and racist but in general it is ok for you to associate with whoever you want especially in private.

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                                  Doctor Phibes
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                                  I'd stop digging, if I were you.

                                  I was only joking

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                                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                    I'd stop digging, if I were you.

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                                    @doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                                    I'd stop digging, if I were you.

                                    No need

                                    But if it helps you to feel virtuous , please feel free to insinuate whatever you want

                                    I remain comfortable discussing things that would make your HR lady faint

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                                      The right to associate or not to associate is real, but when it comes to organizations not unlimited, usually based on size and exactly how one discriminates in membership. But it is real.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                        Doesn't anybody find it the least bit surprising that a cemetery could have this rule in place for decades, and apparently nobody noticed until now?

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                                        Jolly
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                                        @doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                                        Doesn't anybody find it the least bit surprising that a cemetery could have this rule in place for decades, and apparently nobody noticed until now?

                                        Not in Oberlin.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • CopperC Copper

                                          @doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                                          I'd stop digging, if I were you.

                                          No need

                                          But if it helps you to feel virtuous , please feel free to insinuate whatever you want

                                          I remain comfortable discussing things that would make your HR lady faint

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                                          Doctor Phibes
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                                          @copper said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                                          @doctor-phibes said in Louisiana whites-0nly cemetery apologizes for refusing to bury black man:

                                          I'd stop digging, if I were you.

                                          No need

                                          But if it helps you to feel virtuous , please feel free to insinuate whatever you want

                                          I remain comfortable discussing things that would make your HR lady faint

                                          I just think you're in danger of making yourself look like a bit of a twat. I'm only trying to help.

                                          I was only joking

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