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  • MikM Away
    MikM Away
    Mik
    wrote last edited by
    #1122

    An interesting review of a book on imperial overreach.

    https://claremontreviewofbooks.com/the-lamps-are-going-out/?utm_content=375012188&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&hss_channel=fbp-164771506031

    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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    • MikM Mik

      An interesting review of a book on imperial overreach.

      https://claremontreviewofbooks.com/the-lamps-are-going-out/?utm_content=375012188&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&hss_channel=fbp-164771506031

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      Renauda
      wrote last edited by Renauda
      #1123

      @Mik

      Westad’s book on the Cold War is one of the best I have ever read - and I have read at least a dozen or more on the subject over the years.

      This latest one on imperial overreach is now added to my running list of must reads.

      Elbows up!

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      • MikM Away
        MikM Away
        Mik
        wrote last edited by
        #1124

        It's fascinating to see how events in history are linked and caused by prior events, and to examine the similarities.

        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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          blondie
          wrote last edited by
          #1125

          I’m trying to wrap my head around this $2M per ship thing.

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          • B blondie

            I’m trying to wrap my head around this $2M per ship thing.

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            Renauda
            wrote last edited by Renauda
            #1126

            @blondie said:

            I’m trying to wrap my head around this $2M per ship thing.

            You’re not alone. It is an international waterway open for all commercial traffic. No one state along its shoreline can claim control or exact a toll. Iran’s present claim is groundless and contrary to maritime law. It alone could bring this ceasefire to an abrupt and violent end at the blink of an eye.

            Elbows up!

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              89th
              wrote last edited by
              #1127

              What an odd situation. Hard to imagine Iran will just stop fighting. They had another country bomb the crap out of them and kill many of their leaders. But maybe they’ll just be fine with making extra money off of maritime traffic.

              Would be the first time Trump has ever lost. Aside from every business and political venture he’s been apart of.

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              • MikM Away
                MikM Away
                Mik
                wrote last edited by
                #1128

                Wasn't that Iran's proposal? Can't imagine that will stand. They don't own international waters.

                "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                  Renauda
                  wrote last edited by Renauda
                  #1129

                  Exactly. And if they were to try to enforce it, that alone would amount to a justifiable casus belli.

                  Elbows up!

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                  • MikM Away
                    MikM Away
                    Mik
                    wrote last edited by Mik
                    #1130

                    Maybe Europe is encouraging that for an excuse to appease Trump and get involved.

                    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                      #1131

                      Trump floats the idea of the US and Iran forming a ‘joint venture’ to collect the tolls together.

                      “We’re thinking of doing it as a joint venture,” the president told Karl, who shared Trump’s response on the social platform X. “It’s a way of securing it — also securing it from lots of other people. It’s a beautiful thing.”

                      https://thehill.com/policy/international/5821343-trump-us-iran-ceasefire-deal-joint-venture-strait-of-hormuz/

                      Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                      • MikM Away
                        MikM Away
                        Mik
                        wrote last edited by
                        #1132

                        There’s just no idea too inappropriate.

                        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                          Renauda
                          wrote last edited by
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                          Inappropriate and detached from all reality.

                          Elbows up!

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