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The Iran War (was Nuclear Program) thread

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  • RenaudaR Offline
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    Renauda
    wrote last edited by Renauda
    #1113

    Indeed. All it seems to have accomplished diplomatically is turn the clock back to 27 February.

    What the war has accomplished is to turn the economies of the Persian Gulf on their head and sow more Trump induced economic chaos globally.

    Will be interesting to see in the upcoming days as to whether “open the Straits to safe and unfettered passage” has the same meaning in Farsi as it does in Trumpian English dialect.

    Elbows up!

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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

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      AxtremusA Offline
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      Axtremus
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      #1114

      @jon-nyc said:

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      Destroying a whole civilization.
      Is that, like, genocidal?

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      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

        @Renauda said:

        Stand down folks, it’s a two week ceasefire with conditions….

        Story unfolding.

        Pass the tacos.

        jon-nycJ Offline
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        jon-nyc
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        #1115

        @Doctor-Phibes said:

        @Renauda said:

        Stand down folks, it’s a two week ceasefire with conditions….

        Story unfolding.

        Pass the tacos.

        It is Tuesday.

        Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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        • jon-nycJ Offline
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          jon-nyc
          wrote last edited by
          #1116

          This is being reported as the 10 point plan forming the basis of the ceasefire. Looks like a big L for the US.

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          Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            This is being reported as the 10 point plan forming the basis of the ceasefire. Looks like a big L for the US.

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            RenaudaR Offline
            RenaudaR Offline
            Renauda
            wrote last edited by
            #1117

            @jon-nyc said:

            This is being reported as the 10 point plan forming the basis of the ceasefire. Looks like a big L for the US.

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            I think Trump’s friend Putin and his Foreign Minister, Lavrov wrote those points for the Iranians.

            Elbows up!

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            • MikM Away
              MikM Away
              Mik
              wrote last edited by
              #1118

              Well, it may be better than targeting infrastructure that serves the population.

              "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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              • jon-nycJ Offline
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                jon-nyc
                wrote last edited by jon-nyc
                #1119

                120-140 ships a day traverse the strait per day in peacetime. If Iran gets to charge each of them $2MM, that’s a billion dollars every four days.

                Makes Obama’s palates of cash look like chump change.

                Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  120-140 ships a day traverse the strait per day in peacetime. If Iran gets to charge each of them $2MM, that’s a billion dollars every four days.

                  Makes Obama’s palates of cash look like chump change.

                  kluursK Offline
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                  kluurs
                  wrote last edited by
                  #1120

                  @jon-nyc said:

                  120-140 ships a day traverse the strait per day in peacetime. If Iran gets to charge each of them $2MM, that’s a billion dollars every four days.

                  Makes Obama’s palates of cash look like chump change.

                  Both Russia and Iran are making more money from the sale of oil thanks to the great leader’s efforts.

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                  • jon-nycJ Offline
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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote last edited by
                    #1121

                    I suppose there’s still the possibility that the deal improves but it’s hard to imagine Iran making major concessions post ceasefire that it wasn’t willing to make with bombs raining down.

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                    • MikM Away
                      MikM Away
                      Mik
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                      #1122

                      An interesting review of a book on imperial overreach.

                      https://claremontreviewofbooks.com/the-lamps-are-going-out/?utm_content=375012188&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&hss_channel=fbp-164771506031

                      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                      • MikM Mik

                        An interesting review of a book on imperial overreach.

                        https://claremontreviewofbooks.com/the-lamps-are-going-out/?utm_content=375012188&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&hss_channel=fbp-164771506031

                        RenaudaR Offline
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                        Renauda
                        wrote last edited by Renauda
                        #1123

                        @Mik

                        Westad’s book on the Cold War is one of the best I have ever read - and I have read at least a dozen or more on the subject over the years.

                        This latest one on imperial overreach is now added to my running list of must reads.

                        Elbows up!

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                        • MikM Away
                          MikM Away
                          Mik
                          wrote last edited by
                          #1124

                          It's fascinating to see how events in history are linked and caused by prior events, and to examine the similarities.

                          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                          • B Offline
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                            blondie
                            wrote last edited by
                            #1125

                            I’m trying to wrap my head around this $2M per ship thing.

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                            • B blondie

                              I’m trying to wrap my head around this $2M per ship thing.

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                              Renauda
                              wrote last edited by Renauda
                              #1126

                              @blondie said:

                              I’m trying to wrap my head around this $2M per ship thing.

                              You’re not alone. It is an international waterway open for all commercial traffic. No one state along its shoreline can claim control or exact a toll. Iran’s present claim is groundless and contrary to maritime law. It alone could bring this ceasefire to an abrupt and violent end at the blink of an eye.

                              Elbows up!

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                              • 89th8 Online
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                                89th
                                wrote last edited by
                                #1127

                                What an odd situation. Hard to imagine Iran will just stop fighting. They had another country bomb the crap out of them and kill many of their leaders. But maybe they’ll just be fine with making extra money off of maritime traffic.

                                Would be the first time Trump has ever lost. Aside from every business and political venture he’s been apart of.

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                                • MikM Away
                                  MikM Away
                                  Mik
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #1128

                                  Wasn't that Iran's proposal? Can't imagine that will stand. They don't own international waters.

                                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                  • RenaudaR Offline
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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote last edited by Renauda
                                    #1129

                                    Exactly. And if they were to try to enforce it, that alone would amount to a justifiable casus belli.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • MikM Away
                                      MikM Away
                                      Mik
                                      wrote last edited by Mik
                                      #1130

                                      Maybe Europe is encouraging that for an excuse to appease Trump and get involved.

                                      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                      • jon-nycJ Offline
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                                        jon-nyc
                                        wrote last edited by jon-nyc
                                        #1131

                                        Trump floats the idea of the US and Iran forming a ‘joint venture’ to collect the tolls together.

                                        “We’re thinking of doing it as a joint venture,” the president told Karl, who shared Trump’s response on the social platform X. “It’s a way of securing it — also securing it from lots of other people. It’s a beautiful thing.”

                                        https://thehill.com/policy/international/5821343-trump-us-iran-ceasefire-deal-joint-venture-strait-of-hormuz/

                                        Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                                        • MikM Away
                                          MikM Away
                                          Mik
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #1132

                                          There’s just no idea too inappropriate.

                                          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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