The Iran War (was Nuclear Program) thread
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What an odd situation. Hard to imagine Iran will just stop fighting. They had another country bomb the crap out of them and kill many of their leaders. But maybe they’ll just be fine with making extra money off of maritime traffic.
Would be the first time Trump has ever lost. Aside from every business and political venture he’s been apart of.
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Trump floats the idea of the US and Iran forming a ‘joint venture’ to collect the tolls together.
“We’re thinking of doing it as a joint venture,” the president told Karl, who shared Trump’s response on the social platform X. “It’s a way of securing it — also securing it from lots of other people. It’s a beautiful thing.”
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Fuck tolls.
These are international shipping waters.
I'd rather have a huge area of Iranian land cleared to the east of the waters and made uninhabitable.And keep bombing the Iranian officials and army wherever they pop up.
I feel the same as the day after the Trading Towers fell or the Gazan terrorists invaded Israel.
Fuck them being in control of world shipping.Trump's started this war, he'd better have the guts to finish it.
Not that the UK or USA actually need much oil from the area, but I feel very strongly about this defence of the free seas. -
Fuck tolls.
These are international shipping waters.
I'd rather have a huge area of Iranian land cleared to the east of the waters and made uninhabitable.And keep bombing the Iranian officials and army wherever they pop up.
I feel the same as the day after the Trading Towers fell or the Gazan terrorists invaded Israel.
Fuck them being in control of world shipping.Trump's started this war, he'd better have the guts to finish it.
Not that the UK or USA actually need much oil from the area, but I feel very strongly about this defence of the free seas.Trump's started this war, he'd better have the guts to finish it.
I think that’s ultimately the problem. Bibi, for his own reasons, convinced Trump it would be easy and quick. Trump signed up for easy and quick and the pentagons plans for reopening the straight are probably complicated and long.
Not that the UK or USA actually need much oil from the area, but I feel very strongly about this defence of the free seas.
“Energy independence” is something of a myth (except in a blockade scenario). It’s not like we get to live in a world of $40 oil when the strait is closed. And the fact that a few American oil companies are raking it in is small consolation to your average Joe paying $5 at the gas pump.
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We are forgetting that the reason all of this is happening is to keep Iran from becoming a nuclear threat. Now, if that was really going to happen, I haven't a clue. (And no one is even coming close to telling the truth about it.) But if it actually was than this closing of the Strait of Hormuz is just a blip.
Ego similis habere bonum et non curat nunquam accipere malum.
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Yup.
If all you need is 4% enriched uranium for power plants, why do the Iranians, while also vowing to kill Americans, enrich their uranium in deep secretive bunkers to 60% and more? While also developing long range missile capabilities.It's a no brainer.
Something proactive needed to be done. -
We are forgetting that the reason all of this is happening is to keep Iran from becoming a nuclear threat. Now, if that was really going to happen, I haven't a clue. (And no one is even coming close to telling the truth about it.) But if it actually was than this closing of the Strait of Hormuz is just a blip.
We are forgetting that the reason all of this is happening is to keep Iran from becoming a nuclear threat. Now, if that was really going to happen, I haven't a clue. (And no one is even coming close to telling the truth about it.) But if it actually was than this closing of the Strait of Hormuz is just a blip.
It's not clear we've done much about that other than delay it and make them even more determined. Solving that problem requires true regime change (you have to kill the king, not wound him). Trump clearly thought they'd do that, announced that as his goal even on the first day of the attacks. The problem is Trump doesn't seem to be wiling to pay the price required to do it, at least once he found out it wasn't going to come cheap.
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We are forgetting that the reason all of this is happening is to keep Iran from becoming a nuclear threat. Now, if that was really going to happen, I haven't a clue. (And no one is even coming close to telling the truth about it.) But if it actually was than this closing of the Strait of Hormuz is just a blip.
Now, if that was really going to happen, I haven't a clue. (And no one is even coming close to telling the truth about it.)
I'm confident it was happening. I think people misunderstand when Trump or Bibi say 'they were 2 weeks away from a bomb'. That doesn't mean they would have had a bomb in mid-march had we not attacked 2/28. It means they have enough enriched uranium at 60% that, whenever they made the decision to do so, they could further enrich it to 90% in two weeks time. (or however many weeks it was). I think that was generally true and had been for some time, and may still be true. Whatever damage the GBU-57 MOPs did last June, it didn't take out all their stockpiles.
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either way, alot of people here feel we r really fucked.
unless he really does manage to talk the iranians into handing over the enriched unranium
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Heard an interesting take on the Conflicted podcast by a former Al Qaeda jihadist turned MI6 spy. He said Pakistan was up to mischief in softening the US demands when passing them to Iran, and significantly softening the Iranian demands when passing them to the US.
That would explain the apparent confusion between what the administration says it accepted as the basis for ceasefire negotiations and what the Iranians published (the 10 point list). I just wish the administration would publish the 10 point list it received from the Pakis*.
(*that's for you, Phebes)
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