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  • MikM Mik

    An interesting review of a book on imperial overreach.

    https://claremontreviewofbooks.com/the-lamps-are-going-out/?utm_content=375012188&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&hss_channel=fbp-164771506031

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    Renauda
    wrote last edited by Renauda
    #1123

    @Mik

    Westad’s book on the Cold War is one of the best I have ever read - and I have read at least a dozen or more on the subject over the years.

    This latest one on imperial overreach is now added to my running list of must reads.

    Elbows up!

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    • MikM Away
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      Mik
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      It's fascinating to see how events in history are linked and caused by prior events, and to examine the similarities.

      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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        #1125

        I’m trying to wrap my head around this $2M per ship thing.

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        • B blondie

          I’m trying to wrap my head around this $2M per ship thing.

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          Renauda
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          #1126

          @blondie said:

          I’m trying to wrap my head around this $2M per ship thing.

          You’re not alone. It is an international waterway open for all commercial traffic. No one state along its shoreline can claim control or exact a toll. Iran’s present claim is groundless and contrary to maritime law. It alone could bring this ceasefire to an abrupt and violent end at the blink of an eye.

          Elbows up!

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            What an odd situation. Hard to imagine Iran will just stop fighting. They had another country bomb the crap out of them and kill many of their leaders. But maybe they’ll just be fine with making extra money off of maritime traffic.

            Would be the first time Trump has ever lost. Aside from every business and political venture he’s been apart of.

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            • MikM Away
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              Mik
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              Wasn't that Iran's proposal? Can't imagine that will stand. They don't own international waters.

              "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                Renauda
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                #1129

                Exactly. And if they were to try to enforce it, that alone would amount to a justifiable casus belli.

                Elbows up!

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                • MikM Away
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                  wrote last edited by Mik
                  #1130

                  Maybe Europe is encouraging that for an excuse to appease Trump and get involved.

                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                    #1131

                    Trump floats the idea of the US and Iran forming a ‘joint venture’ to collect the tolls together.

                    “We’re thinking of doing it as a joint venture,” the president told Karl, who shared Trump’s response on the social platform X. “It’s a way of securing it — also securing it from lots of other people. It’s a beautiful thing.”

                    https://thehill.com/policy/international/5821343-trump-us-iran-ceasefire-deal-joint-venture-strait-of-hormuz/

                    Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                    • MikM Away
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                      Mik
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                      There’s just no idea too inappropriate.

                      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                        Renauda
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                        Inappropriate and detached from all reality.

                        Elbows up!

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