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    George K
    wrote on 9 Dec 2021, 12:07 last edited by George K 12 Sept 2021, 12:08
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    “I’m 32 years old now,” the congresswoman said. “I have over $17,000 in student loan debt, and I didn’t go to graduate school because I knew that getting another degree would drown me in debt that I would never be able to surpass. This is unacceptable.”

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      9 Dec 2021, 12:07

      “I’m 32 years old now,” the congresswoman said. “I have over $17,000 in student loan debt, and I didn’t go to graduate school because I knew that getting another degree would drown me in debt that I would never be able to surpass. This is unacceptable.”

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      Doctor Phibes
      wrote on 9 Dec 2021, 12:38 last edited by
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      @george-k said in Student loans:

      I’m 32 years old now,” the congresswoman said. “I have over $17,000 in student loan debt

      I owe about that on my car.

      This is unacceptable.

      I was only joking

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        LuFins Dad
        wrote on 9 Dec 2021, 12:59 last edited by
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        Personally, I am all for Student Loan forgiveness, but it’s just not the right time. In 3.5 years I think we will be ready….

        The Brad

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          Jolly
          wrote on 9 Dec 2021, 14:04 last edited by
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          I think this may be a solution for some:

          https://award.mylrap.org/?i=LAC

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            xenon
            wrote on 9 Dec 2021, 16:55 last edited by
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            You can't give unlimited loans on the front-end where schools get into building arms races then jack up prices - while at the same time forgiving them on the back end.

            It's just a crazy grovernment subsidy to schools, without any power to control costs. (Reminds me of healthcare)

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              9 Dec 2021, 16:55

              You can't give unlimited loans on the front-end where schools get into building arms races then jack up prices - while at the same time forgiving them on the back end.

              It's just a crazy grovernment subsidy to schools, without any power to control costs. (Reminds me of healthcare)

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              LuFins Dad
              wrote on 9 Dec 2021, 17:16 last edited by
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              @xenon said in Student loans:

              You can't give unlimited loans on the front-end where schools get into building arms races then jack up prices - while at the same time forgiving them on the back end.

              It's just a crazy grovernment subsidy to schools, without any power to control costs. (Reminds me of healthcare)

              I generally agree except I think we should have a one-time forgiveness in May of 2024, possibly a follow up 2 years later, and one more in 2041.

              The Brad

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                Copper
                wrote on 9 Dec 2021, 17:27 last edited by
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                My 4 years of college tuition (45 years ago) wasn't much by today's standards, but I would like to have it back. And it would be nice if you could adjust for inflation.

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                  Doctor Phibes
                  wrote on 9 Dec 2021, 18:02 last edited by
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                  I finished college with 200 GBP more than I started with. It cost my parents about 200 pounds a year, I think (to cover living expenses). Fees were paid automatically, and I got about 2 thousand a year to live on.

                  I was only joking

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                    89th
                    wrote on 9 Dec 2021, 23:37 last edited by
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                    The only way to stop this madness is to get out of the mentality of the government paying for everything, including paying off loans. Regulation, sure… heck even a requirement to align tuition with the CPI or inflation… but stop this madness already!

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                      9 Dec 2021, 23:37

                      The only way to stop this madness is to get out of the mentality of the government paying for everything, including paying off loans. Regulation, sure… heck even a requirement to align tuition with the CPI or inflation… but stop this madness already!

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                      George K
                      wrote on 9 Dec 2021, 23:44 last edited by
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                      @89th said in Student loans:

                      stop this madness already

                      I wish someone could tell us why college costs so much.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        9 Dec 2021, 23:44

                        @89th said in Student loans:

                        stop this madness already

                        I wish someone could tell us why college costs so much.

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                        Copper
                        wrote on 9 Dec 2021, 23:50 last edited by
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                        @george-k said in Student loans:

                        @89th said in Student loans:

                        stop this madness already

                        I wish someone could tell us why college costs so much.

                        That was 11 years ago.

                        Now it is really, really expensive.

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                          9 Dec 2021, 23:44

                          @89th said in Student loans:

                          stop this madness already

                          I wish someone could tell us why college costs so much.

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                          Horace
                          wrote on 9 Dec 2021, 23:51 last edited by
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                          @george-k said in Student loans:

                          @89th said in Student loans:

                          stop this madness already

                          I wish someone could tell us why college costs so much.

                          "Move along, nothing to see here" in 300 pages. I don't suspect it's aged well, if it was ever meaningful in the first place.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                            George K
                            wrote on 9 Dec 2021, 23:56 last edited by
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                            I've posted this before, but just to recap.

                            I grew up in a pretty middle-class family. Mom was a pediatrician (the lowest-paid specialty) and Dad was a lab rat at the U of I Dental School. We were comfortable. but not luxurious.

                            In 1972, tuition at Northwestern Medical School, for my first year (excluding room & board, books) was $1,875 a year.

                            Adjusted for inflation -

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                            I imagine few upper-middle class, or middle-class families today couldn't afford $12.5K for MEDICAL SCHOOL.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • G George K
                              9 Dec 2021, 23:44

                              @89th said in Student loans:

                              stop this madness already

                              I wish someone could tell us why college costs so much.

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                              89th
                              wrote on 10 Dec 2021, 00:19 last edited by
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                              @george-k said in Student loans:

                              @89th said in Student loans:

                              stop this madness already

                              I wish someone could tell us why college costs so much.

                              Good pull! I think I worked on that book cover too, or at least helped him 10 years ago on that.

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                                9 Dec 2021, 23:56

                                I've posted this before, but just to recap.

                                I grew up in a pretty middle-class family. Mom was a pediatrician (the lowest-paid specialty) and Dad was a lab rat at the U of I Dental School. We were comfortable. but not luxurious.

                                In 1972, tuition at Northwestern Medical School, for my first year (excluding room & board, books) was $1,875 a year.

                                Adjusted for inflation -

                                Screen Shot 2021-12-09 at 5.55.20 PM.png

                                I imagine few upper-middle class, or middle-class families today couldn't afford $12.5K for MEDICAL SCHOOL.

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                                xenon
                                wrote on 10 Dec 2021, 00:54 last edited by
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                                @george-k said in Student loans:

                                I imagine few upper-middle class, or middle-class families today couldn't afford $12.5K for MEDICAL SCHOOL.

                                That's almost exactly my kids preschool cost for the year. (And we did not choose one of the swanky ones)

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                                • X xenon
                                  10 Dec 2021, 00:54

                                  @george-k said in Student loans:

                                  I imagine few upper-middle class, or middle-class families today couldn't afford $12.5K for MEDICAL SCHOOL.

                                  That's almost exactly my kids preschool cost for the year. (And we did not choose one of the swanky ones)

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on 10 Dec 2021, 01:31 last edited by
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                                  @xenon and I graduated with zero debt. My parents were generous, of course, but not extravagant.

                                  Today, medical school is north of $65K.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    George K
                                    wrote on 13 Dec 2021, 01:19 last edited by
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                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      13 Dec 2021, 01:19

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                                      jon-nyc
                                      wrote on 13 Dec 2021, 01:26 last edited by jon-nyc
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                                      @george-k said in Student loans:

                                      Not really. What they mean is “force the median taxpayer to pay off the student loans of middle-class to affluent college grads”

                                      The median tax dollar does not come from working class folks.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                                        13 Dec 2021, 01:26

                                        @george-k said in Student loans:

                                        Not really. What they mean is “force the median taxpayer to pay off the student loans of middle-class to affluent college grads”

                                        The median tax dollar does not come from working class folks.

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on 13 Dec 2021, 01:30 last edited by
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                                        @jon-nyc said in Student loans:

                                        Not really. What they mean is “force the median taxpayer to pay off the student loans of middle-class to affluent college grads”
                                        The median tax dollar does not come from working class folks.

                                        Picky, picky, picky...lol.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on 13 Dec 2021, 21:50 last edited by
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                                          I know, I should have posted it in this thread, but what the hell.

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                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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