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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by
    #12

    I think this may be a solution for some:

    https://award.mylrap.org/?i=LAC

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      xenon
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      #13

      You can't give unlimited loans on the front-end where schools get into building arms races then jack up prices - while at the same time forgiving them on the back end.

      It's just a crazy grovernment subsidy to schools, without any power to control costs. (Reminds me of healthcare)

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      • X xenon

        You can't give unlimited loans on the front-end where schools get into building arms races then jack up prices - while at the same time forgiving them on the back end.

        It's just a crazy grovernment subsidy to schools, without any power to control costs. (Reminds me of healthcare)

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        #14

        @xenon said in Student loans:

        You can't give unlimited loans on the front-end where schools get into building arms races then jack up prices - while at the same time forgiving them on the back end.

        It's just a crazy grovernment subsidy to schools, without any power to control costs. (Reminds me of healthcare)

        I generally agree except I think we should have a one-time forgiveness in May of 2024, possibly a follow up 2 years later, and one more in 2041.

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        • CopperC Offline
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          #15

          My 4 years of college tuition (45 years ago) wasn't much by today's standards, but I would like to have it back. And it would be nice if you could adjust for inflation.

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            #16

            I finished college with 200 GBP more than I started with. It cost my parents about 200 pounds a year, I think (to cover living expenses). Fees were paid automatically, and I got about 2 thousand a year to live on.

            I was only joking

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            • 89th8 Offline
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              #17

              The only way to stop this madness is to get out of the mentality of the government paying for everything, including paying off loans. Regulation, sure… heck even a requirement to align tuition with the CPI or inflation… but stop this madness already!

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              • 89th8 89th

                The only way to stop this madness is to get out of the mentality of the government paying for everything, including paying off loans. Regulation, sure… heck even a requirement to align tuition with the CPI or inflation… but stop this madness already!

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                George K
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                #18

                @89th said in Student loans:

                stop this madness already

                I wish someone could tell us why college costs so much.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • George KG George K

                  @89th said in Student loans:

                  stop this madness already

                  I wish someone could tell us why college costs so much.

                  CopperC Offline
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                  wrote on last edited by
                  #19

                  @george-k said in Student loans:

                  @89th said in Student loans:

                  stop this madness already

                  I wish someone could tell us why college costs so much.

                  That was 11 years ago.

                  Now it is really, really expensive.

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                  • George KG George K

                    @89th said in Student loans:

                    stop this madness already

                    I wish someone could tell us why college costs so much.

                    HoraceH Offline
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                    wrote on last edited by
                    #20

                    @george-k said in Student loans:

                    @89th said in Student loans:

                    stop this madness already

                    I wish someone could tell us why college costs so much.

                    "Move along, nothing to see here" in 300 pages. I don't suspect it's aged well, if it was ever meaningful in the first place.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      #21

                      I've posted this before, but just to recap.

                      I grew up in a pretty middle-class family. Mom was a pediatrician (the lowest-paid specialty) and Dad was a lab rat at the U of I Dental School. We were comfortable. but not luxurious.

                      In 1972, tuition at Northwestern Medical School, for my first year (excluding room & board, books) was $1,875 a year.

                      Adjusted for inflation -

                      Screen Shot 2021-12-09 at 5.55.20 PM.png

                      I imagine few upper-middle class, or middle-class families today couldn't afford $12.5K for MEDICAL SCHOOL.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • George KG George K

                        @89th said in Student loans:

                        stop this madness already

                        I wish someone could tell us why college costs so much.

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                        89th
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                        #22

                        @george-k said in Student loans:

                        @89th said in Student loans:

                        stop this madness already

                        I wish someone could tell us why college costs so much.

                        Good pull! I think I worked on that book cover too, or at least helped him 10 years ago on that.

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                        • George KG George K

                          I've posted this before, but just to recap.

                          I grew up in a pretty middle-class family. Mom was a pediatrician (the lowest-paid specialty) and Dad was a lab rat at the U of I Dental School. We were comfortable. but not luxurious.

                          In 1972, tuition at Northwestern Medical School, for my first year (excluding room & board, books) was $1,875 a year.

                          Adjusted for inflation -

                          Screen Shot 2021-12-09 at 5.55.20 PM.png

                          I imagine few upper-middle class, or middle-class families today couldn't afford $12.5K for MEDICAL SCHOOL.

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                          xenon
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                          @george-k said in Student loans:

                          I imagine few upper-middle class, or middle-class families today couldn't afford $12.5K for MEDICAL SCHOOL.

                          That's almost exactly my kids preschool cost for the year. (And we did not choose one of the swanky ones)

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                          • X xenon

                            @george-k said in Student loans:

                            I imagine few upper-middle class, or middle-class families today couldn't afford $12.5K for MEDICAL SCHOOL.

                            That's almost exactly my kids preschool cost for the year. (And we did not choose one of the swanky ones)

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                            George K
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                            @xenon and I graduated with zero debt. My parents were generous, of course, but not extravagant.

                            Today, medical school is north of $65K.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              George K
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                              #25

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                #26

                                @george-k said in Student loans:

                                Not really. What they mean is “force the median taxpayer to pay off the student loans of middle-class to affluent college grads”

                                The median tax dollar does not come from working class folks.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  @george-k said in Student loans:

                                  Not really. What they mean is “force the median taxpayer to pay off the student loans of middle-class to affluent college grads”

                                  The median tax dollar does not come from working class folks.

                                  George KG Offline
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                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by
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                                  @jon-nyc said in Student loans:

                                  Not really. What they mean is “force the median taxpayer to pay off the student loans of middle-class to affluent college grads”
                                  The median tax dollar does not come from working class folks.

                                  Picky, picky, picky...lol.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • George KG Offline
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                                    George K
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #28

                                    I know, I should have posted it in this thread, but what the hell.

                                    FGg0egxXIAAr-L9.jpeg

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • George KG George K

                                      @jon-nyc said in Student loans:

                                      Not really. What they mean is “force the median taxpayer to pay off the student loans of middle-class to affluent college grads”
                                      The median tax dollar does not come from working class folks.

                                      Picky, picky, picky...lol.

                                      HoraceH Offline
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                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #29

                                      @george-k said in Student loans:

                                      @jon-nyc said in Student loans:

                                      Not really. What they mean is “force the median taxpayer to pay off the student loans of middle-class to affluent college grads”
                                      The median tax dollar does not come from working class folks.

                                      Picky, picky, picky...lol.

                                      Well, the median tax dollar doesn't come from the median tax payer.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                        @george-k said in Student loans:

                                        Not really. What they mean is “force the median taxpayer to pay off the student loans of middle-class to affluent college grads”

                                        The median tax dollar does not come from working class folks.

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                                        LuFins Dad
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                                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                          @george-k said in Student loans:

                                          Not really. What they mean is “force the median taxpayer to pay off the student loans of middle-class to affluent college grads”

                                          The median tax dollar does not come from working class folks.

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                                          LuFins Dad
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #31

                                          @jon-nyc said in Student loans:

                                          The median tax dollar does not come from working class folks.

                                          Want to bet? Median household annual income tax paid is $15K, with a Median effective income tax rate of 13.9%. That puts the median tax follar coming from households making roughly $105,000, smack dab in the middle of Joe the Plumbee territory…

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