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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
    wrote last edited by jon-nyc
    #2947

    I think Putin has realized, to borrow a phrase, that Trump has no cards. Or rather none he’s willing to play. I wonder how much Putin can continue to play him before he really gets pissed. There were signs he’d reached his full of it last month, but now Trump seems willing to put up with more.

    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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    • A Offline
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      AndyD
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      #2948

      Yes; if Trump joins the game it'll be a surprise to me. He seems to have sat back and watch the players continue so far.

      Putin is ex KGB, speaks English, and will be a master at handling people.
      Trump will have been told repeatedly, perhaps he knows and is happy to wait see a while longer what transpires from the N. Koreans etc

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        #2949

        Oh my sides.

        Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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        • RenaudaR Offline
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          Renauda
          wrote last edited by Renauda
          #2950

          I seem to recall reading, on more than one occasion, that in 1948 Tito refused a similar invitational summons from Stalin:

          An adviser to Volodymyr Zelensky has told BBC News that Ukraine "immediately rejected" Vladimir Putin's suggestion that the two leaders should meet in Moscow.

          https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cz93ve1p952t?post=asset%3A1281df55-06c0-43d5-b23d-d599b7cd956b#post

          Elbows up!

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            Wim
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            #2951
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              Renauda
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              #2952

              @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

              Remember Melnikov.

              Which one? You’ll have to jog my memory. Only the famous Constructivist architect comes to my mind at the moment.

              Elbows up!

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              • RenaudaR Renauda

                @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

                Remember Melnikov.

                Which one? You’ll have to jog my memory. Only the famous Constructivist architect comes to my mind at the moment.

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                Wim
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                #2953

                @Renauda Apologies, I blundered. Consider what I wrote as non-existent.

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                • RenaudaR Offline
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                  Renauda
                  wrote last edited by Renauda
                  #2954

                  No problem.

                  In the meantime, I think this breakdown of the past week’s theatre of the incorrigible is not at all off the mark:

                  “Trump is very good when he can bully people,” Duss told the Kyiv Post’s Washington correspondent, adding “and Putin is someone who, in Trump’s words, has cards.”

                  …..Trump clearly feels that Putin is someone who intimidates him… Putin is someone who knows how to handle Donald Trump,” he added.

                  …..Duss argues that Trump’s belief in his own “skill as a negotiator” is misplaced when it comes to international security. “He might be a good negotiator when it comes to building a new casino, but he is clearly not a skilled negotiator or diplomat,” Duss said.

                  https://www.kyivpost.com/analysis/58597

                  Elbows up!

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                  • RenaudaR Renauda

                    No problem.

                    In the meantime, I think this breakdown of the past week’s theatre of the incorrigible is not at all off the mark:

                    “Trump is very good when he can bully people,” Duss told the Kyiv Post’s Washington correspondent, adding “and Putin is someone who, in Trump’s words, has cards.”

                    …..Trump clearly feels that Putin is someone who intimidates him… Putin is someone who knows how to handle Donald Trump,” he added.

                    …..Duss argues that Trump’s belief in his own “skill as a negotiator” is misplaced when it comes to international security. “He might be a good negotiator when it comes to building a new casino, but he is clearly not a skilled negotiator or diplomat,” Duss said.

                    https://www.kyivpost.com/analysis/58597

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                    wrote last edited by Doctor Phibes
                    #2955

                    @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                    “Trump is very good when he can bully people,” Duss told the Kyiv Post’s Washington correspondent, adding “and Putin is someone who, in Trump’s words, has cards.”

                    2-bit thug.

                    I was only joking

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                      @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                      “Trump is very good when he can bully people,” Duss told the Kyiv Post’s Washington correspondent, adding “and Putin is someone who, in Trump’s words, has cards.”

                      2-bit thug.

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                      Renauda
                      wrote last edited by Renauda
                      #2956

                      @Doctor-Phibes

                      two-bit thug

                      You may very well believe that, I couldn’t possibly comment.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • RenaudaR Offline
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                        Renauda
                        wrote last edited by Renauda
                        #2957

                        This man gets it. Wish he were President or Secretary of Defense War right now:

                        https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/cq65410424qo

                        Elbows up!

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          wrote last edited by Mik
                          #2958

                          He does and I do wish he was. We just can’t let Putin succeed in the vain hope his successors will be any better.

                          It’s not just Russia that needs to see resolve. Xi is watching carefully as well.

                          "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                          • MikM Offline
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                            Mik
                            wrote last edited by Mik
                            #2959

                            Maybe it's inherited.

                            Reply of the Zaporozhian Cossacks to the Ottoman Sultan by Ilya Repin, 1880-1891.

                            The painting is based on the legend of Cossacks sending an insulting reply to an ultimatum from the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, Mehmed IV in 1676. The Zaporozhian Cossacks inhabited the lands around the lower Dnieper River in Ukraine and had defeated Ottoman Empire forces in battle. However, Mehmed demanded that the Cossacks submit to Ottoman rule. The Cossacks wrote a letter full of insults and profanities. The painting exhibits the Cossacks' finding pleasure in striving to come up with ever more base vulgarities.

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                            "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                            • MikM Mik

                              Maybe it's inherited.

                              Reply of the Zaporozhian Cossacks to the Ottoman Sultan by Ilya Repin, 1880-1891.

                              The painting is based on the legend of Cossacks sending an insulting reply to an ultimatum from the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, Mehmed IV in 1676. The Zaporozhian Cossacks inhabited the lands around the lower Dnieper River in Ukraine and had defeated Ottoman Empire forces in battle. However, Mehmed demanded that the Cossacks submit to Ottoman rule. The Cossacks wrote a letter full of insults and profanities. The painting exhibits the Cossacks' finding pleasure in striving to come up with ever more base vulgarities.

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                              Axtremus
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                              #2960

                              @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

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                              Let's brainstorm for insults.
                              Insult war room in 5, order pizzas.
                              #insultathon
                              #insultarama
                              Oh, for the remote folks, WebEx, not Zoom, on account of profanity filter.

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