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The Ukraine war thread

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  • RenaudaR Renauda

    @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

    Remember Melnikov.

    Which one? You’ll have to jog my memory. Only the famous Constructivist architect comes to my mind at the moment.

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    Wim
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    #2953

    @Renauda Apologies, I blundered. Consider what I wrote as non-existent.

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      Renauda
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      #2954

      No problem.

      In the meantime, I think this breakdown of the past week’s theatre of the incorrigible is not at all off the mark:

      “Trump is very good when he can bully people,” Duss told the Kyiv Post’s Washington correspondent, adding “and Putin is someone who, in Trump’s words, has cards.”

      …..Trump clearly feels that Putin is someone who intimidates him… Putin is someone who knows how to handle Donald Trump,” he added.

      …..Duss argues that Trump’s belief in his own “skill as a negotiator” is misplaced when it comes to international security. “He might be a good negotiator when it comes to building a new casino, but he is clearly not a skilled negotiator or diplomat,” Duss said.

      https://www.kyivpost.com/analysis/58597

      Elbows up!

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      • RenaudaR Renauda

        No problem.

        In the meantime, I think this breakdown of the past week’s theatre of the incorrigible is not at all off the mark:

        “Trump is very good when he can bully people,” Duss told the Kyiv Post’s Washington correspondent, adding “and Putin is someone who, in Trump’s words, has cards.”

        …..Trump clearly feels that Putin is someone who intimidates him… Putin is someone who knows how to handle Donald Trump,” he added.

        …..Duss argues that Trump’s belief in his own “skill as a negotiator” is misplaced when it comes to international security. “He might be a good negotiator when it comes to building a new casino, but he is clearly not a skilled negotiator or diplomat,” Duss said.

        https://www.kyivpost.com/analysis/58597

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        Doctor Phibes
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        #2955

        @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

        “Trump is very good when he can bully people,” Duss told the Kyiv Post’s Washington correspondent, adding “and Putin is someone who, in Trump’s words, has cards.”

        2-bit thug.

        I was only joking

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        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

          @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

          “Trump is very good when he can bully people,” Duss told the Kyiv Post’s Washington correspondent, adding “and Putin is someone who, in Trump’s words, has cards.”

          2-bit thug.

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          Renauda
          wrote on last edited by Renauda
          #2956

          @Doctor-Phibes

          two-bit thug

          You may very well believe that, I couldn’t possibly comment.

          Elbows up!

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          • RenaudaR Offline
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            Renauda
            wrote last edited by Renauda
            #2957

            This man gets it. Wish he were President or Secretary of Defense War right now:

            https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/cq65410424qo

            Elbows up!

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            • MikM Offline
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              #2958

              He does and I do wish he was. We just can’t let Putin succeed in the vain hope his successors will be any better.

              It’s not just Russia that needs to see resolve. Xi is watching carefully as well.

              "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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              • MikM Offline
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                #2959

                Maybe it's inherited.

                Reply of the Zaporozhian Cossacks to the Ottoman Sultan by Ilya Repin, 1880-1891.

                The painting is based on the legend of Cossacks sending an insulting reply to an ultimatum from the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, Mehmed IV in 1676. The Zaporozhian Cossacks inhabited the lands around the lower Dnieper River in Ukraine and had defeated Ottoman Empire forces in battle. However, Mehmed demanded that the Cossacks submit to Ottoman rule. The Cossacks wrote a letter full of insults and profanities. The painting exhibits the Cossacks' finding pleasure in striving to come up with ever more base vulgarities.

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                "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                • MikM Mik

                  Maybe it's inherited.

                  Reply of the Zaporozhian Cossacks to the Ottoman Sultan by Ilya Repin, 1880-1891.

                  The painting is based on the legend of Cossacks sending an insulting reply to an ultimatum from the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, Mehmed IV in 1676. The Zaporozhian Cossacks inhabited the lands around the lower Dnieper River in Ukraine and had defeated Ottoman Empire forces in battle. However, Mehmed demanded that the Cossacks submit to Ottoman rule. The Cossacks wrote a letter full of insults and profanities. The painting exhibits the Cossacks' finding pleasure in striving to come up with ever more base vulgarities.

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                  @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

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                  Let's brainstorm for insults.
                  Insult war room in 5, order pizzas.
                  #insultathon
                  #insultarama
                  Oh, for the remote folks, WebEx, not Zoom, on account of profanity filter.

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                  • RenaudaR Offline
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                    Renauda
                    wrote last edited by
                    #2961

                    The comparison is not inaccurate:

                    United States President Donald Trump’s latest wheeze for imposing further sanctions on Russia comes with a jaw-dropping catch: NATO must first impose tariffs of 50% to 100% on China.

                    On the surface, it sounds like a bold move that takes on two adversaries in one stroke. But scratch it, and what you find is less Winston Churchill and more Baldrick from the farcical BBC sitcom Blackadder — a “cunning plan” so hopelessly self-defeating that only its author could think it brilliant.

                    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/09/16/trumps-sanctions-playbook-impossible-demands-guaranteed-delays-a90538

                    Elbows up!

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                      If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                      • HoraceH Offline
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                        Horace
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                        #2963

                        That is pretty cool.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          Mik
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                          #2964

                          A bit late, but sure.

                          "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                            #2965

                            Confidence inspiring, so consistent and principled.

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                              jon-nyc
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                              If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                IMG_8012.jpeg

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                                Renauda
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                                #2967

                                @jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                IMG_8012.jpeg

                                Either he is seeing the situation for what it really is or he is setting the stage to normalize dilplomatic and trade relations with Russia while at the same time sell weapons and military technical assistance to Ukraine through NATO as intermediary. Wash his hands of the diplomatic effort to bring about an armistice. Essentially become the Pontius Pilate in the game.

                                Elbows up!

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                                  It does not say “THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER.”
                                  Are you sure it’s real? 🤔

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                                    taiwan_girl
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                                    After getting to know and full understand the Ukraine/Russia Military and Economic situation..............

                                    Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasnt President Trump elected almost 1 year ago?

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                                      jon-nyc
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                                      #2970

                                      Yeah our national security policy has been reset based on what he perceives as a personal slight. But honestly I’m all for not looking a gift horse in the mouth. I just hope nobody else talks to him for a while.

                                      If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                                      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                        After getting to know and full understand the Ukraine/Russia Military and Economic situation..............

                                        Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasnt President Trump elected almost 1 year ago?

                                        Doctor PhibesD Online
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                                        Doctor Phibes
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                                        #2971

                                        @taiwan_girl said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                        After getting to know and full understand the Ukraine/Russia Military and Economic situation..............

                                        Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasnt President Trump elected almost 1 year ago?

                                        Nobody knows more about international matters than Donald Trump. Just ask Pete Hegseth and J D Vance.

                                        I was only joking

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                                          https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/09/25/russian-pilots-dared-nato-start-war/

                                          From the moment the Russian pilots entered Estonian airspace, they were pursued by Nato’s most advanced fighter jets.
                                          Two Italian F-35s, “Ghost 1” and “Ghost 2”, had launched an interception mission from an air base 50km outside of the capital Tallinn.
                                          For an instant, the course of world affairs rested on the shoulders of five men – three Russians and two Italians – who were not in radio contact with each other.
                                          The Italians began the routine of an aerial intercept, rocking their wings from side to side.
                                          In reply, the Russians rocked theirs back. Then one of the pilots raised his hand and gave a friendly wave.
                                          For the next 12 minutes, the Italian pilots trailed the Russians all the way to the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad – an unprecedented length of time for an incursion into Nato airspace.
                                          This time, the manoeuvre was carried out peacefully and Nato fighters were not forced to fire at the three Russian MiG-31s, themselves armed with air-to-air missiles.
                                          But the potential flashpoint has sparked days of intense discussion inside Nato over when, where and how they might pull the trigger.

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