The Ukraine war thread
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Putin expected to play the torturous history lecture card tomorrow in an effort to zombify Trump and US officials:
Russian leader Vladimir Putin is likely to lecture US President Donald Trump on the Russian version of Ukrainian history in a bid to justify his invasion, according to Ukraine’s Center for Countering Disinformation on Thursday….
In its Thursday update, the center stated that Putin is preparing so-called “historical materials” for the US president to justify the Kremlin’s position that Ukraine is a so-called “artificial state” that should not exist.
“These are geographical maps that, according to Putin’s plan, are supposed to prove to Trump that Ukraine is an ‘artificial state’ formed at the expense of the territories of other countries,” the update says.
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I think Putin has realized, to borrow a phrase, that Trump has no cards. Or rather none he’s willing to play. I wonder how much Putin can continue to play him before he really gets pissed. There were signs he’d reached his full of it last month, but now Trump seems willing to put up with more.
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Yes; if Trump joins the game it'll be a surprise to me. He seems to have sat back and watch the players continue so far.
Putin is ex KGB, speaks English, and will be a master at handling people.
Trump will have been told repeatedly, perhaps he knows and is happy to wait see a while longer what transpires from the N. Koreans etc -
I seem to recall reading, on more than one occasion, that in 1948 Tito refused a similar invitational summons from Stalin:
An adviser to Volodymyr Zelensky has told BBC News that Ukraine "immediately rejected" Vladimir Putin's suggestion that the two leaders should meet in Moscow.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cz93ve1p952t?post=asset%3A1281df55-06c0-43d5-b23d-d599b7cd956b#post
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@Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:
Remember Melnikov.
Which one? You’ll have to jog my memory. Only the famous Constructivist architect comes to my mind at the moment.
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No problem.
In the meantime, I think this breakdown of the past week’s theatre of the incorrigible is not at all off the mark:
“Trump is very good when he can bully people,” Duss told the Kyiv Post’s Washington correspondent, adding “and Putin is someone who, in Trump’s words, has cards.”
…..Trump clearly feels that Putin is someone who intimidates him… Putin is someone who knows how to handle Donald Trump,” he added.
…..Duss argues that Trump’s belief in his own “skill as a negotiator” is misplaced when it comes to international security. “He might be a good negotiator when it comes to building a new casino, but he is clearly not a skilled negotiator or diplomat,” Duss said.
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No problem.
In the meantime, I think this breakdown of the past week’s theatre of the incorrigible is not at all off the mark:
“Trump is very good when he can bully people,” Duss told the Kyiv Post’s Washington correspondent, adding “and Putin is someone who, in Trump’s words, has cards.”
…..Trump clearly feels that Putin is someone who intimidates him… Putin is someone who knows how to handle Donald Trump,” he added.
…..Duss argues that Trump’s belief in his own “skill as a negotiator” is misplaced when it comes to international security. “He might be a good negotiator when it comes to building a new casino, but he is clearly not a skilled negotiator or diplomat,” Duss said.
@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
“Trump is very good when he can bully people,” Duss told the Kyiv Post’s Washington correspondent, adding “and Putin is someone who, in Trump’s words, has cards.”
2-bit thug.
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@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
“Trump is very good when he can bully people,” Duss told the Kyiv Post’s Washington correspondent, adding “and Putin is someone who, in Trump’s words, has cards.”
2-bit thug.
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This man gets it. Wish he were President or Secretary of
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Maybe it's inherited.
Reply of the Zaporozhian Cossacks to the Ottoman Sultan by Ilya Repin, 1880-1891.
The painting is based on the legend of Cossacks sending an insulting reply to an ultimatum from the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, Mehmed IV in 1676. The Zaporozhian Cossacks inhabited the lands around the lower Dnieper River in Ukraine and had defeated Ottoman Empire forces in battle. However, Mehmed demanded that the Cossacks submit to Ottoman rule. The Cossacks wrote a letter full of insults and profanities. The painting exhibits the Cossacks' finding pleasure in striving to come up with ever more base vulgarities.
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Maybe it's inherited.
Reply of the Zaporozhian Cossacks to the Ottoman Sultan by Ilya Repin, 1880-1891.
The painting is based on the legend of Cossacks sending an insulting reply to an ultimatum from the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, Mehmed IV in 1676. The Zaporozhian Cossacks inhabited the lands around the lower Dnieper River in Ukraine and had defeated Ottoman Empire forces in battle. However, Mehmed demanded that the Cossacks submit to Ottoman rule. The Cossacks wrote a letter full of insults and profanities. The painting exhibits the Cossacks' finding pleasure in striving to come up with ever more base vulgarities.
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The comparison is not inaccurate:
United States President Donald Trump’s latest wheeze for imposing further sanctions on Russia comes with a jaw-dropping catch: NATO must first impose tariffs of 50% to 100% on China.
On the surface, it sounds like a bold move that takes on two adversaries in one stroke. But scratch it, and what you find is less Winston Churchill and more Baldrick from the farcical BBC sitcom Blackadder — a “cunning plan” so hopelessly self-defeating that only its author could think it brilliant.
