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  • A Offline
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    AndyD
    wrote on last edited by AndyD
    #2946

    I can see this ending like Korea. Divided, one western area a part of prosperous EU & NATO influence, with the Eastern area Russian.

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    • jon-nycJ Online
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      jon-nyc
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      #2947

      I think Putin has realized, to borrow a phrase, that Trump has no cards. Or rather none he’s willing to play. I wonder how much Putin can continue to play him before he really gets pissed. There were signs he’d reached his full of it last month, but now Trump seems willing to put up with more.

      If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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        AndyD
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        #2948

        Yes; if Trump joins the game it'll be a surprise to me. He seems to have sat back and watch the players continue so far.

        Putin is ex KGB, speaks English, and will be a master at handling people.
        Trump will have been told repeatedly, perhaps he knows and is happy to wait see a while longer what transpires from the N. Koreans etc

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        • jon-nycJ Online
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          jon-nyc
          wrote on last edited by
          #2949

          Oh my sides.

          If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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          • RenaudaR Offline
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            Renauda
            wrote on last edited by Renauda
            #2950

            I seem to recall reading, on more than one occasion, that in 1948 Tito refused a similar invitational summons from Stalin:

            An adviser to Volodymyr Zelensky has told BBC News that Ukraine "immediately rejected" Vladimir Putin's suggestion that the two leaders should meet in Moscow.

            https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cz93ve1p952t?post=asset%3A1281df55-06c0-43d5-b23d-d599b7cd956b#post

            Elbows up!

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              Wim
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              #2951
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                Renauda
                wrote on last edited by
                #2952

                @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

                Remember Melnikov.

                Which one? You’ll have to jog my memory. Only the famous Constructivist architect comes to my mind at the moment.

                Elbows up!

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                • RenaudaR Renauda

                  @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

                  Remember Melnikov.

                  Which one? You’ll have to jog my memory. Only the famous Constructivist architect comes to my mind at the moment.

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                  Wim
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                  #2953

                  @Renauda Apologies, I blundered. Consider what I wrote as non-existent.

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                    Renauda
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                    #2954

                    No problem.

                    In the meantime, I think this breakdown of the past week’s theatre of the incorrigible is not at all off the mark:

                    “Trump is very good when he can bully people,” Duss told the Kyiv Post’s Washington correspondent, adding “and Putin is someone who, in Trump’s words, has cards.”

                    …..Trump clearly feels that Putin is someone who intimidates him… Putin is someone who knows how to handle Donald Trump,” he added.

                    …..Duss argues that Trump’s belief in his own “skill as a negotiator” is misplaced when it comes to international security. “He might be a good negotiator when it comes to building a new casino, but he is clearly not a skilled negotiator or diplomat,” Duss said.

                    https://www.kyivpost.com/analysis/58597

                    Elbows up!

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                    • RenaudaR Renauda

                      No problem.

                      In the meantime, I think this breakdown of the past week’s theatre of the incorrigible is not at all off the mark:

                      “Trump is very good when he can bully people,” Duss told the Kyiv Post’s Washington correspondent, adding “and Putin is someone who, in Trump’s words, has cards.”

                      …..Trump clearly feels that Putin is someone who intimidates him… Putin is someone who knows how to handle Donald Trump,” he added.

                      …..Duss argues that Trump’s belief in his own “skill as a negotiator” is misplaced when it comes to international security. “He might be a good negotiator when it comes to building a new casino, but he is clearly not a skilled negotiator or diplomat,” Duss said.

                      https://www.kyivpost.com/analysis/58597

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                      Doctor Phibes
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                      #2955

                      @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                      “Trump is very good when he can bully people,” Duss told the Kyiv Post’s Washington correspondent, adding “and Putin is someone who, in Trump’s words, has cards.”

                      2-bit thug.

                      I was only joking

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                      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                        @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        “Trump is very good when he can bully people,” Duss told the Kyiv Post’s Washington correspondent, adding “and Putin is someone who, in Trump’s words, has cards.”

                        2-bit thug.

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                        Renauda
                        wrote on last edited by Renauda
                        #2956

                        @Doctor-Phibes

                        two-bit thug

                        You may very well believe that, I couldn’t possibly comment.

                        Elbows up!

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                          Renauda
                          wrote last edited by Renauda
                          #2957

                          This man gets it. Wish he were President or Secretary of Defense War right now:

                          https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/cq65410424qo

                          Elbows up!

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                          • MikM Offline
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                            Mik
                            wrote last edited by Mik
                            #2958

                            He does and I do wish he was. We just can’t let Putin succeed in the vain hope his successors will be any better.

                            It’s not just Russia that needs to see resolve. Xi is watching carefully as well.

                            "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                              Mik
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                              #2959

                              Maybe it's inherited.

                              Reply of the Zaporozhian Cossacks to the Ottoman Sultan by Ilya Repin, 1880-1891.

                              The painting is based on the legend of Cossacks sending an insulting reply to an ultimatum from the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, Mehmed IV in 1676. The Zaporozhian Cossacks inhabited the lands around the lower Dnieper River in Ukraine and had defeated Ottoman Empire forces in battle. However, Mehmed demanded that the Cossacks submit to Ottoman rule. The Cossacks wrote a letter full of insults and profanities. The painting exhibits the Cossacks' finding pleasure in striving to come up with ever more base vulgarities.

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                              "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                              • MikM Mik

                                Maybe it's inherited.

                                Reply of the Zaporozhian Cossacks to the Ottoman Sultan by Ilya Repin, 1880-1891.

                                The painting is based on the legend of Cossacks sending an insulting reply to an ultimatum from the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, Mehmed IV in 1676. The Zaporozhian Cossacks inhabited the lands around the lower Dnieper River in Ukraine and had defeated Ottoman Empire forces in battle. However, Mehmed demanded that the Cossacks submit to Ottoman rule. The Cossacks wrote a letter full of insults and profanities. The painting exhibits the Cossacks' finding pleasure in striving to come up with ever more base vulgarities.

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                                Axtremus
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                                @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

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                                Let's brainstorm for insults.
                                Insult war room in 5, order pizzas.
                                #insultathon
                                #insultarama
                                Oh, for the remote folks, WebEx, not Zoom, on account of profanity filter.

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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #2961

                                  The comparison is not inaccurate:

                                  United States President Donald Trump’s latest wheeze for imposing further sanctions on Russia comes with a jaw-dropping catch: NATO must first impose tariffs of 50% to 100% on China.

                                  On the surface, it sounds like a bold move that takes on two adversaries in one stroke. But scratch it, and what you find is less Winston Churchill and more Baldrick from the farcical BBC sitcom Blackadder — a “cunning plan” so hopelessly self-defeating that only its author could think it brilliant.

                                  https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/09/16/trumps-sanctions-playbook-impossible-demands-guaranteed-delays-a90538

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • jon-nycJ Online
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                                    jon-nyc
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                                    If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                                      Horace
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #2963

                                      That is pretty cool.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                      • MikM Offline
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                                        Mik
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #2964

                                        A bit late, but sure.

                                        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                          89th
                                          wrote last edited by 89th
                                          #2965

                                          Confidence inspiring, so consistent and principled.

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