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  • AxtremusA Offline
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    Axtremus
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    #2940

    Here in the USA, we see and read more about Ukraine's victories and Russia's losses, yet here is where things currently stand:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/08/09/ukraine-zelensky-trump-russia-meeting/

    Ukraine controls only a small toehold in Russia’s western Kursk region. Russia, meanwhile, controls around a fifth of Ukraine’s sovereign territory.

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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      This is already embarrassing you just know he’ll get rolled again. A megadose of flattery and Putin’s off to the races while Trump tells his buddies “no really guys, I’m serious, the stripper really liked me’.

      https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/07/europe/putin-trump-meeting-ukraine-russia-intl

      RenaudaR Offline
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      Renauda
      wrote on last edited by Renauda
      #2941

      @jon-nyc

      According to John Bolton, Trump is already being rolled:

      https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-putin-alaska-john-bolton-b2804856.html

      Elbows up!

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      • RenaudaR Offline
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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by
        #2942

        Further proof that Trump really no clue as to what’s been going on:

        During the press conference, Trump added that he was "a little bothered" by Zelensky's words regarding "constitutional approval" for land swaps as part of a potential peace agreement.

        "He's got approval to go into war and kill everybody, but he needs approval to do a land swap? There'll be some land swapping going on," Trump said.

        Does not get it….not at all.

        Elbows up!

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        • RenaudaR Offline
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          Renauda
          wrote on last edited by Renauda
          #2943

          Putin expected to play the torturous history lecture card tomorrow in an effort to zombify Trump and US officials:

          Russian leader Vladimir Putin is likely to lecture US President Donald Trump on the Russian version of Ukrainian history in a bid to justify his invasion, according to Ukraine’s Center for Countering Disinformation on Thursday….

          In its Thursday update, the center stated that Putin is preparing so-called “historical materials” for the US president to justify the Kremlin’s position that Ukraine is a so-called “artificial state” that should not exist.

          “These are geographical maps that, according to Putin’s plan, are supposed to prove to Trump that Ukraine is an ‘artificial state’ formed at the expense of the territories of other countries,” the update says.

          https://www.kyivpost.com/post/58134

          Elbows up!

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          • jon-nycJ Online
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            jon-nyc
            wrote on last edited by
            #2944

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            If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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            • RenaudaR Offline
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              Renauda
              wrote on last edited by
              #2945

              I think Trump and his team just got Keyser Söze'd.

              Elbows up!

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                AndyD
                wrote on last edited by AndyD
                #2946

                I can see this ending like Korea. Divided, one western area a part of prosperous EU & NATO influence, with the Eastern area Russian.

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                • jon-nycJ Online
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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                  #2947

                  I think Putin has realized, to borrow a phrase, that Trump has no cards. Or rather none he’s willing to play. I wonder how much Putin can continue to play him before he really gets pissed. There were signs he’d reached his full of it last month, but now Trump seems willing to put up with more.

                  If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                    AndyD
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #2948

                    Yes; if Trump joins the game it'll be a surprise to me. He seems to have sat back and watch the players continue so far.

                    Putin is ex KGB, speaks English, and will be a master at handling people.
                    Trump will have been told repeatedly, perhaps he knows and is happy to wait see a while longer what transpires from the N. Koreans etc

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                    • jon-nycJ Online
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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #2949

                      Oh my sides.

                      If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                      • RenaudaR Offline
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                        Renauda
                        wrote on last edited by Renauda
                        #2950

                        I seem to recall reading, on more than one occasion, that in 1948 Tito refused a similar invitational summons from Stalin:

                        An adviser to Volodymyr Zelensky has told BBC News that Ukraine "immediately rejected" Vladimir Putin's suggestion that the two leaders should meet in Moscow.

                        https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cz93ve1p952t?post=asset%3A1281df55-06c0-43d5-b23d-d599b7cd956b#post

                        Elbows up!

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                          Wim
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                          #2951
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                          • W Wim

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                            Renauda
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #2952

                            @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            Remember Melnikov.

                            Which one? You’ll have to jog my memory. Only the famous Constructivist architect comes to my mind at the moment.

                            Elbows up!

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                            • RenaudaR Renauda

                              @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              Remember Melnikov.

                              Which one? You’ll have to jog my memory. Only the famous Constructivist architect comes to my mind at the moment.

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                              Wim
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                              #2953

                              @Renauda Apologies, I blundered. Consider what I wrote as non-existent.

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                              • RenaudaR Offline
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                                Renauda
                                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                #2954

                                No problem.

                                In the meantime, I think this breakdown of the past week’s theatre of the incorrigible is not at all off the mark:

                                “Trump is very good when he can bully people,” Duss told the Kyiv Post’s Washington correspondent, adding “and Putin is someone who, in Trump’s words, has cards.”

                                …..Trump clearly feels that Putin is someone who intimidates him… Putin is someone who knows how to handle Donald Trump,” he added.

                                …..Duss argues that Trump’s belief in his own “skill as a negotiator” is misplaced when it comes to international security. “He might be a good negotiator when it comes to building a new casino, but he is clearly not a skilled negotiator or diplomat,” Duss said.

                                https://www.kyivpost.com/analysis/58597

                                Elbows up!

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                                • RenaudaR Renauda

                                  No problem.

                                  In the meantime, I think this breakdown of the past week’s theatre of the incorrigible is not at all off the mark:

                                  “Trump is very good when he can bully people,” Duss told the Kyiv Post’s Washington correspondent, adding “and Putin is someone who, in Trump’s words, has cards.”

                                  …..Trump clearly feels that Putin is someone who intimidates him… Putin is someone who knows how to handle Donald Trump,” he added.

                                  …..Duss argues that Trump’s belief in his own “skill as a negotiator” is misplaced when it comes to international security. “He might be a good negotiator when it comes to building a new casino, but he is clearly not a skilled negotiator or diplomat,” Duss said.

                                  https://www.kyivpost.com/analysis/58597

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                                  Doctor Phibes
                                  wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                                  #2955

                                  @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  “Trump is very good when he can bully people,” Duss told the Kyiv Post’s Washington correspondent, adding “and Putin is someone who, in Trump’s words, has cards.”

                                  2-bit thug.

                                  I was only joking

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                                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                    @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                    “Trump is very good when he can bully people,” Duss told the Kyiv Post’s Washington correspondent, adding “and Putin is someone who, in Trump’s words, has cards.”

                                    2-bit thug.

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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                    #2956

                                    @Doctor-Phibes

                                    two-bit thug

                                    You may very well believe that, I couldn’t possibly comment.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • RenaudaR Offline
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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote last edited by Renauda
                                      #2957

                                      This man gets it. Wish he were President or Secretary of Defense War right now:

                                      https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/cq65410424qo

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • MikM Offline
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                                        Mik
                                        wrote last edited by Mik
                                        #2958

                                        He does and I do wish he was. We just can’t let Putin succeed in the vain hope his successors will be any better.

                                        It’s not just Russia that needs to see resolve. Xi is watching carefully as well.

                                        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                        • MikM Offline
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                                          Mik
                                          wrote last edited by Mik
                                          #2959

                                          Maybe it's inherited.

                                          Reply of the Zaporozhian Cossacks to the Ottoman Sultan by Ilya Repin, 1880-1891.

                                          The painting is based on the legend of Cossacks sending an insulting reply to an ultimatum from the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, Mehmed IV in 1676. The Zaporozhian Cossacks inhabited the lands around the lower Dnieper River in Ukraine and had defeated Ottoman Empire forces in battle. However, Mehmed demanded that the Cossacks submit to Ottoman rule. The Cossacks wrote a letter full of insults and profanities. The painting exhibits the Cossacks' finding pleasure in striving to come up with ever more base vulgarities.

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                                          "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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