Sokolov's Rach 2
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wrote on 15 Dec 2020, 03:42 last edited by
Man he holds his own against that orchestra.
They did a good job of focusing on his hands. You can see how much energy he puts into the part to counterbalance the orchestra.
Seems hard. Do try this at home, but good luck. lol
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wrote on 15 Dec 2020, 03:50 last edited by
Look, for example, at 17:20.
A relatively 'quiet' part but you can see the force he plays with.
Must be a challenge getting dynamic range right in such a setting.
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wrote on 15 Dec 2020, 03:55 last edited by
I'm still watching this.
This is the most satisfying video of the piece I've ever seen, if only because of the camera angles.
And yeah, Sokolov rocks.
Won the fucking Tchaikovsky competition at 16. Jesus.
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wrote on 15 Dec 2020, 04:06 last edited by kluurs
Sokolov is great - still think Richter owns the piece.
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wrote on 15 Dec 2020, 04:17 last edited by jon-nyc
I'll give it a listen.
To be honest my favorite might be Van Cliburn.
Here's a newish recording by Hoachen Zhang, the (co) winner of the 2009 Cliburn with the Philadelphia Orchestra.
It's quite good.
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I'll give it a listen.
To be honest my favorite might be Van Cliburn.
Here's a newish recording by Hoachen Zhang, the (co) winner of the 2009 Cliburn with the Philadelphia Orchestra.
It's quite good.
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wrote on 15 Dec 2020, 07:19 last edited by
Yep, Sokolov rocks.
Luckily he comes to my town once every year. The concert is always booked out months in advance.
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wrote on 15 Dec 2020, 08:49 last edited by
All wonderful players.
Ever heard a piece, not too long, maybe 5-7 pages, thought wow, I'd like to learn that; get the music, go onto youtube and after a few pleasurable hours decide on 'the best' version to copy, make a start?
Then a few weeks into practice realise there are a few sections that are deceptively difficult, perhaps beyond your level LOL.I can't even imagine starting to learn a concerto like this.
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wrote on 15 Dec 2020, 10:42 last edited by
Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.
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@jon-nyc Sadly, YouTube will toss in commercials. If you've got access to one of the services that doesn't have commercials - even better. It is a desert island disc for me.
wrote on 15 Dec 2020, 11:05 last edited by@kluurs said in Sokolov's Rach 2:
@jon-nyc Sadly, YouTube will toss in commercials. If you've got access to one of the services that doesn't have commercials - even better. It is a desert island disc for me.
I assume you’re talking about the Sokolov? And you have the CD?
It truly is worth watching just to see his hands.
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wrote on 15 Dec 2020, 12:34 last edited by
Thanks for linking that, Jon. I've been a fan for a long time as well. I love his "Sokolov in Paris" videos. He is such a huge bear of a man, and yes, he can get the quietest parts out so well.
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wrote on 15 Dec 2020, 13:00 last edited by
One of my favorite Sokolov interpretations.
Link to videoThe control and fresheness is incredible. I believe this is originally a piece for cembalo with two manuals, which explains the permanent crossing.
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wrote on 15 Dec 2020, 13:02 last edited by
@klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:
Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.
But what do you do after day 4?
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@klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:
Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.
But what do you do after day 4?
wrote on 15 Dec 2020, 13:04 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Sokolov's Rach 2:
@klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:
Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.
But what do you do after day 4?
Spend another (less enjoyable) four days on Opus Clavicembalisticum.
Top it off with a day of "Vexations".
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wrote on 15 Dec 2020, 13:04 last edited by
Does he hit a couple of clunkers at 31:34 or so (using the YouTube timer, not the onscreen timer)?
@Klaus , yes. It's fantastic, isn't it.
I remember reading criticisms of the Prokofiev 8 in that concert. The "Agitato" was too slow, many complained. But, the deliberateness, and power was overwhelming.
That's the word: deliberate. Everything he does is like that. His fingers like pistons.
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@jon-nyc said in Sokolov's Rach 2:
@klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:
Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.
But what do you do after day 4?
Spend another (less enjoyable) four days on Opus Clavicembalisticum.
Top it off with a day of "Vexations".
wrote on 15 Dec 2020, 13:06 last edited by@klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:
@jon-nyc said in Sokolov's Rach 2:
@klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:
Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.
But what do you do after day 4?
Spend another (less enjoyable) four days on Opus Clavicembalisticum.
Top it off with a day of "Vexations".
At this point in my piano journey it would be unfair to consider them sight reads.
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@klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:
@jon-nyc said in Sokolov's Rach 2:
@klaus said in Sokolov's Rach 2:
Rachmaninoff concerti are excellent for sightreading practice.
But what do you do after day 4?
Spend another (less enjoyable) four days on Opus Clavicembalisticum.
Top it off with a day of "Vexations".
At this point in my piano journey it would be unfair to consider them sight reads.
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wrote on 15 Dec 2020, 13:58 last edited by
Look, this is what The Coffee Room (TCR) looked like way back before we destroyed the place. We used to play a Rach concerto for fun!
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Look, this is what The Coffee Room (TCR) looked like way back before we destroyed the place. We used to play a Rach concerto for fun!
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Does he hit a couple of clunkers at 31:34 or so (using the YouTube timer, not the onscreen timer)?
@Klaus , yes. It's fantastic, isn't it.
I remember reading criticisms of the Prokofiev 8 in that concert. The "Agitato" was too slow, many complained. But, the deliberateness, and power was overwhelming.
That's the word: deliberate. Everything he does is like that. His fingers like pistons.
wrote on 15 Dec 2020, 15:45 last edited by@george-k said in Sokolov's Rach 2:
Does he hit a couple of clunkers at 31:34 or so (using the YouTube timer, not the onscreen timer)?
He sure does.
Remember he doesn't like to record, he likes to play in front of live audience.
