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Is the predictive model wrong?

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    Mik
    wrote on 3 Apr 2020, 14:20 last edited by
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    All models. See Global Warmingclimate change.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      Mik
      wrote on 3 Apr 2020, 14:23 last edited by
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      I'd rather have them erring on the side of caution. This model may just be behind by a week or two. Either that or distancing has worked better than anyone thought.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        89th
        wrote on 3 Apr 2020, 14:36 last edited by
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        I'd have to imagine with most of the country essentially staying at home (really, really, really an unprecedented time we are in!), there's probably a much better impact on the virus than expected. Just think about those "scattering dots" diagrams of how a virus spreads and what if many of the dots are suddenly isolated? Massively good impact. Fingers crossed...

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          jon-nyc
          wrote on 3 Apr 2020, 14:57 last edited by
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          Fingers crossed.

          FWIW Cuomo discussed models they look at yesterday. He said the forecast for peak resource use varies from 7 days to 31 days. The IHME model is 7 days (April 9th peak).

          We're still WAY under testing as evidenced by our 38% positive test rate. So I wouldn't be surprised if the models showing a later peak are more accurate. I don't know enough about the other states to comment.

          Still, wasn't the IHME model supposed to be updated? Why wouldn't they update the curve with actuals?

          Only non-witches get due process.

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            jon-nyc
            wrote on 3 Apr 2020, 15:17 last edited by
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            Two models NY is using besides the IHME.

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            No labels on y axes but if you eyeball it the numbers for today are in the right spot.

            Only non-witches get due process.

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on 3 Apr 2020, 15:20 last edited by
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              https://13wham.com/news/local/watch-gov-cuomo-holds-daily-covid-19-briefing-from-albany-04-01-2020

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                3 Apr 2020, 15:20

                https://13wham.com/news/local/watch-gov-cuomo-holds-daily-covid-19-briefing-from-albany-04-01-2020

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                89th
                wrote on 3 Apr 2020, 15:35 last edited by
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                I created a thread for this but deleted it. I didn't think it could be true.

                Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Friday that 2,935 New Yorkers died from the coronavirus over the last 24-hours, the highest single increase in deaths since the outbreak began a few weeks ago.

                https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/03/new-york-gov-cuomo-says-state-saw-its-single-biggest-increase-in-coronavirus-deaths-yesterday.html

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                  89th
                  wrote on 3 Apr 2020, 15:40 last edited by
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                  .........and they've updated the article. The change in bold.

                  Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Friday that 2,935 New Yorkers have died from the coronavirus so far with 562 new deaths over the last 24 hours

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                    Copper
                    wrote on 3 Apr 2020, 15:50 last edited by
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                    Impeach him!

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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on 4 Apr 2020, 10:21 last edited by
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                      The more I look into this model the less I like it. It strikes me as more of a ‘technical analysis’ than a ‘fundamental analysis’ in that it’s basically a curve fitting exercise heavily relying on the Wuhan experience.

                      It seems to be predicting way too early of a peak and is overall too optimistic about our social-distancing measures.

                      I would love to see the details behind the McKinsey models.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                        4 Apr 2020, 10:21

                        The more I look into this model the less I like it. It strikes me as more of a ‘technical analysis’ than a ‘fundamental analysis’ in that it’s basically a curve fitting exercise heavily relying on the Wuhan experience.

                        It seems to be predicting way too early of a peak and is overall too optimistic about our social-distancing measures.

                        I would love to see the details behind the McKinsey models.

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                        George K
                        wrote on 4 Apr 2020, 11:32 last edited by
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                        @jon-nyc yes.

                        And the simple fact that its accuracy, in historical perspective, is pretty poor.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          4 Apr 2020, 10:21

                          The more I look into this model the less I like it. It strikes me as more of a ‘technical analysis’ than a ‘fundamental analysis’ in that it’s basically a curve fitting exercise heavily relying on the Wuhan experience.

                          It seems to be predicting way too early of a peak and is overall too optimistic about our social-distancing measures.

                          I would love to see the details behind the McKinsey models.

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                          LuFins Dad
                          wrote on 4 Apr 2020, 12:28 last edited by
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                          @jon-nyc Which model? The covid19.healthdata.org model? I’ve been calling that model crap for the opposite reason. It undervalues decisions made by the general public and overvalues decisions handed down by the government.

                          The Brad

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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on 4 Apr 2020, 12:52 last edited by
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                            Yes that model. That’s not really the opposite of my view, I also think it overstates the effect of our lockdown.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                              4 Apr 2020, 12:52

                              Yes that model. That’s not really the opposite of my view, I also think it overstates the effect of our lockdown.

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                              LuFins Dad
                              wrote on 4 Apr 2020, 12:59 last edited by
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                              @jon-nyc do you have a link to the McKinsey models?

                              The Brad

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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on 4 Apr 2020, 13:47 last edited by jon-nyc 4 Apr 2020, 13:47
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                                They’re not public to my knowledge.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on 4 Apr 2020, 20:31 last edited by
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                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    LuFins Dad
                                    wrote on 4 Apr 2020, 20:44 last edited by LuFins Dad 4 Apr 2020, 20:45
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                                    I’d like to see the ventilator numbers. And Florida is way too early to take anything from a 1 day aberration

                                    The Brad

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                                      4 Apr 2020, 20:44

                                      I’d like to see the ventilator numbers. And Florida is way too early to take anything from a 1 day aberration

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on 4 Apr 2020, 20:55 last edited by
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                                      @LuFins-Dad said in Is the predictive model wrong?:

                                      Florida is way too early to take anything from a 1 day aberration

                                      Absolutely. We've seen 1 day dips before.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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