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Is the predictive model wrong?

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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    Two models NY is using besides the IHME.

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    No labels on y axes but if you eyeball it the numbers for today are in the right spot.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      https://13wham.com/news/local/watch-gov-cuomo-holds-daily-covid-19-briefing-from-albany-04-01-2020

      Only non-witches get due process.

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      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

        https://13wham.com/news/local/watch-gov-cuomo-holds-daily-covid-19-briefing-from-albany-04-01-2020

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        I created a thread for this but deleted it. I didn't think it could be true.

        Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Friday that 2,935 New Yorkers died from the coronavirus over the last 24-hours, the highest single increase in deaths since the outbreak began a few weeks ago.

        https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/03/new-york-gov-cuomo-says-state-saw-its-single-biggest-increase-in-coronavirus-deaths-yesterday.html

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          .........and they've updated the article. The change in bold.

          Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Friday that 2,935 New Yorkers have died from the coronavirus so far with 562 new deaths over the last 24 hours

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            Impeach him!

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              The more I look into this model the less I like it. It strikes me as more of a ‘technical analysis’ than a ‘fundamental analysis’ in that it’s basically a curve fitting exercise heavily relying on the Wuhan experience.

              It seems to be predicting way too early of a peak and is overall too optimistic about our social-distancing measures.

              I would love to see the details behind the McKinsey models.

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                The more I look into this model the less I like it. It strikes me as more of a ‘technical analysis’ than a ‘fundamental analysis’ in that it’s basically a curve fitting exercise heavily relying on the Wuhan experience.

                It seems to be predicting way too early of a peak and is overall too optimistic about our social-distancing measures.

                I would love to see the details behind the McKinsey models.

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                George K
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                @jon-nyc yes.

                And the simple fact that its accuracy, in historical perspective, is pretty poor.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  The more I look into this model the less I like it. It strikes me as more of a ‘technical analysis’ than a ‘fundamental analysis’ in that it’s basically a curve fitting exercise heavily relying on the Wuhan experience.

                  It seems to be predicting way too early of a peak and is overall too optimistic about our social-distancing measures.

                  I would love to see the details behind the McKinsey models.

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                  @jon-nyc Which model? The covid19.healthdata.org model? I’ve been calling that model crap for the opposite reason. It undervalues decisions made by the general public and overvalues decisions handed down by the government.

                  The Brad

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                    Yes that model. That’s not really the opposite of my view, I also think it overstates the effect of our lockdown.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      Yes that model. That’s not really the opposite of my view, I also think it overstates the effect of our lockdown.

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                      @jon-nyc do you have a link to the McKinsey models?

                      The Brad

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                        They’re not public to my knowledge.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            I’d like to see the ventilator numbers. And Florida is way too early to take anything from a 1 day aberration

                            The Brad

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                              I’d like to see the ventilator numbers. And Florida is way too early to take anything from a 1 day aberration

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                              @LuFins-Dad said in Is the predictive model wrong?:

                              Florida is way too early to take anything from a 1 day aberration

                              Absolutely. We've seen 1 day dips before.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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