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  • 89th8 Offline
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    89th
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    #3

    Is 20 too obvious of an answer? Probably.

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    • MikM Mik

      Zero. Klaus played piano after which she was shunned.

      JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
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      @Mik said in Puzzle time:

      Zero. Klaus played piano after which she was shunned.

      😂

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • KlausK Online
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        #5

        Question: Do you assume that the two persons in each couple know each other? 🙂 Sounds like a rather unrealistic assumption, but I want to be sure.

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        • KlausK Online
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          Also, does a person shake his own hand (since we can safely assume that everone knows him- or herself)?

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          • Doctor PhibesD Online
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            Doctor Phibes
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            #7

            Are these all university couples? If so, it would probably be quite hard for them to shake their own hands since they'll be so busy patting themselves on the back 😀

            I was only joking

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            • jon-nycJ Online
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              #8

              Klaus - they don’t shake their own hand or that of their pairing.

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • MikM Mik

                Zero. Klaus played piano after which she was shunned.

                kluursK Offline
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                #9

                @Mik said in Puzzle time:

                Zero. Klaus played piano after which she was shunned.

                Klaus expressed the desire for "she" to be used as his her preferred pronoun? Makes sense, I just wanted to confirm.

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                • 89th8 Offline
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                  I think 20 must be too obvious, so if we take the "and got a difference answer every time" key phrase, that means even individuals WITHIN a couple have difference answers, which means we need to find all the various valid combos out there...leaving Mrs. Klaus shaking 10 hands.

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                  • markM Offline
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                    It doesn't matter. They will all be dead from corona virus in a few weeks. 🌡🤒

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                    • jon-nycJ Online
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                      jon-nyc
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                      #12

                      Can’t just throw out a number, you have to say why

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      • jon-nycJ Online
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                        #13

                        This one took me a little while.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        • KlausK Online
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                          OK, let's see.

                          Since there are at most 20 people anyone can shake hands with, the different numbers of the other 21 partygoers must be the numbers from 0 to 20...

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                          • KlausK Online
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                            #15

                            What I don't understand is how Ms. Klaus plays any designated role in your puzzle that would allow me to distinguish her from anyone else.

                            Let's say we name the other 21 persons p-0 to p-20, whereby p-0 shook 0 hands, p-1 shook 1 hands etc.

                            Ms. Klaus could be any p-i without raising a contradiction.

                            So, let's say Ms. Klaus is p-7 and shook hands with 7 other people. If the puzzle is well-designed, that should lead to some kind of contradiction. But I don't see a contradiction.

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                            • KlausK Online
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                              #16

                              Hm, wait a minute.

                              The guy with the 20 handshakes, p-20 must have shaken Ms. Klaus hand because he shook everyone's hand except his own partner's.

                              So Ms. Klaus cannot be p-0. And p-20's partner must be p-0, by the same argument.

                              Presumably this is the base case of some kind of inductive argument...

                              But on the other hand, what prevents Ms. Klaus from being p-20? Hmm...

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                              • KlausK Online
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                                #17

                                Ah, I think I got it.

                                p-20 must have shaken my hand and hence cannot be Ms. Klaus.
                                p-20's partner must have been p-0, who can hence also not be Ms. Klaus.

                                p-19 must have shaken my hand, too, because he didn't shake p-0's hand, hence p-19 cannot be Ms. Klaus either.
                                By the same argument as above, p-19's partner is p-1, who also cannot be Ms. Klaus.

                                If we continue in the same way until p-11 and p-9, we see that the only number that is left is p-10.

                                Ms. Klaus shook 10 hands.

                                Correct?

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                                • jon-nycJ Online
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                                  jon-nyc
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                                  #18

                                  No, your first statement is not correct.

                                  Hint - first find out how many hands you shook.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                  • KlausK Online
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                                    Klaus
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                                    #19

                                    Oh, I see. I think my solution is still correct.

                                    p-20 must be married to p-0, ..., p-11 must be married to p-9.

                                    Hence my wife can't be any of p-0,...,p-9 or p-11 to p-20, because I'm not among the ones they are married to.

                                    That leaves only the p-10 spot for her.

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                                    • KlausK Online
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                                      Klaus
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                                      #20

                                      Here's the full solution.

                                      p-0 : {}
                                      p-1 : {p-20}
                                      p-2 : {p-19,p-20}
                                      ...
                                      p-9 : {p-12,....,p-20}
                                      p-10 = Ms. Klaus : {p-11,...,p-20}
                                      p-11 : {Mr. Klaus, Ms. Klaus, p-12, ..., p-20}
                                      p-12 : {Mr. Klaus, Ms. Klaus, p-9, p-11, p-13, ..., p-20}
                                      p-13 : {Mr. Klaus, Ms. Klaus, p-8, p-9, p-11,p-12, p-14, ..., p-20}
                                      ...
                                      p-20: {Mr. Klaus, Ms. Klaus, p-1, .., p-9, p-11,...,p-19}
                                      Mr. Klaus: {p-11,...,p-20}

                                      Is this not correct?

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                                      • Doctor PhibesD Online
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                                        Doctor Phibes
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                                        Typical German. You should just ask her.

                                        I was only joking

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                                        • jon-nycJ Online
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                                          jon-nyc
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                                          #22

                                          Yes you are right, Klaus

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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