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  • MikM Mik

    Zero. Klaus played piano after which she was shunned.

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    Jolly
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    @Mik said in Puzzle time:

    Zero. Klaus played piano after which she was shunned.

    😂

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      #5

      Question: Do you assume that the two persons in each couple know each other? 🙂 Sounds like a rather unrealistic assumption, but I want to be sure.

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        Also, does a person shake his own hand (since we can safely assume that everone knows him- or herself)?

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        • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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          #7

          Are these all university couples? If so, it would probably be quite hard for them to shake their own hands since they'll be so busy patting themselves on the back 😀

          I was only joking

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            #8

            Klaus - they don’t shake their own hand or that of their pairing.

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • MikM Mik

              Zero. Klaus played piano after which she was shunned.

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              #9

              @Mik said in Puzzle time:

              Zero. Klaus played piano after which she was shunned.

              Klaus expressed the desire for "she" to be used as his her preferred pronoun? Makes sense, I just wanted to confirm.

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                I think 20 must be too obvious, so if we take the "and got a difference answer every time" key phrase, that means even individuals WITHIN a couple have difference answers, which means we need to find all the various valid combos out there...leaving Mrs. Klaus shaking 10 hands.

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                  It doesn't matter. They will all be dead from corona virus in a few weeks. 🌡🤒

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                  • jon-nycJ Offline
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                    jon-nyc
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                    #12

                    Can’t just throw out a number, you have to say why

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      #13

                      This one took me a little while.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        OK, let's see.

                        Since there are at most 20 people anyone can shake hands with, the different numbers of the other 21 partygoers must be the numbers from 0 to 20...

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                        • KlausK Offline
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                          #15

                          What I don't understand is how Ms. Klaus plays any designated role in your puzzle that would allow me to distinguish her from anyone else.

                          Let's say we name the other 21 persons p-0 to p-20, whereby p-0 shook 0 hands, p-1 shook 1 hands etc.

                          Ms. Klaus could be any p-i without raising a contradiction.

                          So, let's say Ms. Klaus is p-7 and shook hands with 7 other people. If the puzzle is well-designed, that should lead to some kind of contradiction. But I don't see a contradiction.

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                          • KlausK Offline
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                            #16

                            Hm, wait a minute.

                            The guy with the 20 handshakes, p-20 must have shaken Ms. Klaus hand because he shook everyone's hand except his own partner's.

                            So Ms. Klaus cannot be p-0. And p-20's partner must be p-0, by the same argument.

                            Presumably this is the base case of some kind of inductive argument...

                            But on the other hand, what prevents Ms. Klaus from being p-20? Hmm...

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                              #17

                              Ah, I think I got it.

                              p-20 must have shaken my hand and hence cannot be Ms. Klaus.
                              p-20's partner must have been p-0, who can hence also not be Ms. Klaus.

                              p-19 must have shaken my hand, too, because he didn't shake p-0's hand, hence p-19 cannot be Ms. Klaus either.
                              By the same argument as above, p-19's partner is p-1, who also cannot be Ms. Klaus.

                              If we continue in the same way until p-11 and p-9, we see that the only number that is left is p-10.

                              Ms. Klaus shook 10 hands.

                              Correct?

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                                #18

                                No, your first statement is not correct.

                                Hint - first find out how many hands you shook.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                  #19

                                  Oh, I see. I think my solution is still correct.

                                  p-20 must be married to p-0, ..., p-11 must be married to p-9.

                                  Hence my wife can't be any of p-0,...,p-9 or p-11 to p-20, because I'm not among the ones they are married to.

                                  That leaves only the p-10 spot for her.

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                                    #20

                                    Here's the full solution.

                                    p-0 : {}
                                    p-1 : {p-20}
                                    p-2 : {p-19,p-20}
                                    ...
                                    p-9 : {p-12,....,p-20}
                                    p-10 = Ms. Klaus : {p-11,...,p-20}
                                    p-11 : {Mr. Klaus, Ms. Klaus, p-12, ..., p-20}
                                    p-12 : {Mr. Klaus, Ms. Klaus, p-9, p-11, p-13, ..., p-20}
                                    p-13 : {Mr. Klaus, Ms. Klaus, p-8, p-9, p-11,p-12, p-14, ..., p-20}
                                    ...
                                    p-20: {Mr. Klaus, Ms. Klaus, p-1, .., p-9, p-11,...,p-19}
                                    Mr. Klaus: {p-11,...,p-20}

                                    Is this not correct?

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                                      Typical German. You should just ask her.

                                      I was only joking

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                                        #22

                                        Yes you are right, Klaus

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

                                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                          It's a pretty neat puzzle.

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