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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
    wrote on last edited by
    #8

    Klaus - they don’t shake their own hand or that of their pairing.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • MikM Mik

      Zero. Klaus played piano after which she was shunned.

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      kluurs
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      #9

      @Mik said in Puzzle time:

      Zero. Klaus played piano after which she was shunned.

      Klaus expressed the desire for "she" to be used as his her preferred pronoun? Makes sense, I just wanted to confirm.

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      • 89th8 Offline
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        #10

        I think 20 must be too obvious, so if we take the "and got a difference answer every time" key phrase, that means even individuals WITHIN a couple have difference answers, which means we need to find all the various valid combos out there...leaving Mrs. Klaus shaking 10 hands.

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        • markM Offline
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          mark
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          #11

          It doesn't matter. They will all be dead from corona virus in a few weeks. 🌡🤒

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          • jon-nycJ Offline
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            jon-nyc
            wrote on last edited by
            #12

            Can’t just throw out a number, you have to say why

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • jon-nycJ Offline
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              jon-nyc
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              #13

              This one took me a little while.

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • KlausK Offline
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                Klaus
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                #14

                OK, let's see.

                Since there are at most 20 people anyone can shake hands with, the different numbers of the other 21 partygoers must be the numbers from 0 to 20...

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                • KlausK Offline
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                  Klaus
                  wrote on last edited by Klaus
                  #15

                  What I don't understand is how Ms. Klaus plays any designated role in your puzzle that would allow me to distinguish her from anyone else.

                  Let's say we name the other 21 persons p-0 to p-20, whereby p-0 shook 0 hands, p-1 shook 1 hands etc.

                  Ms. Klaus could be any p-i without raising a contradiction.

                  So, let's say Ms. Klaus is p-7 and shook hands with 7 other people. If the puzzle is well-designed, that should lead to some kind of contradiction. But I don't see a contradiction.

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                  • KlausK Offline
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                    Klaus
                    wrote on last edited by Klaus
                    #16

                    Hm, wait a minute.

                    The guy with the 20 handshakes, p-20 must have shaken Ms. Klaus hand because he shook everyone's hand except his own partner's.

                    So Ms. Klaus cannot be p-0. And p-20's partner must be p-0, by the same argument.

                    Presumably this is the base case of some kind of inductive argument...

                    But on the other hand, what prevents Ms. Klaus from being p-20? Hmm...

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                    • KlausK Offline
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                      Klaus
                      wrote on last edited by Klaus
                      #17

                      Ah, I think I got it.

                      p-20 must have shaken my hand and hence cannot be Ms. Klaus.
                      p-20's partner must have been p-0, who can hence also not be Ms. Klaus.

                      p-19 must have shaken my hand, too, because he didn't shake p-0's hand, hence p-19 cannot be Ms. Klaus either.
                      By the same argument as above, p-19's partner is p-1, who also cannot be Ms. Klaus.

                      If we continue in the same way until p-11 and p-9, we see that the only number that is left is p-10.

                      Ms. Klaus shook 10 hands.

                      Correct?

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                      • jon-nycJ Offline
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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #18

                        No, your first statement is not correct.

                        Hint - first find out how many hands you shook.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        • KlausK Offline
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                          Klaus
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                          #19

                          Oh, I see. I think my solution is still correct.

                          p-20 must be married to p-0, ..., p-11 must be married to p-9.

                          Hence my wife can't be any of p-0,...,p-9 or p-11 to p-20, because I'm not among the ones they are married to.

                          That leaves only the p-10 spot for her.

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                          • KlausK Offline
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                            Klaus
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                            #20

                            Here's the full solution.

                            p-0 : {}
                            p-1 : {p-20}
                            p-2 : {p-19,p-20}
                            ...
                            p-9 : {p-12,....,p-20}
                            p-10 = Ms. Klaus : {p-11,...,p-20}
                            p-11 : {Mr. Klaus, Ms. Klaus, p-12, ..., p-20}
                            p-12 : {Mr. Klaus, Ms. Klaus, p-9, p-11, p-13, ..., p-20}
                            p-13 : {Mr. Klaus, Ms. Klaus, p-8, p-9, p-11,p-12, p-14, ..., p-20}
                            ...
                            p-20: {Mr. Klaus, Ms. Klaus, p-1, .., p-9, p-11,...,p-19}
                            Mr. Klaus: {p-11,...,p-20}

                            Is this not correct?

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                            • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                              Doctor Phibes
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                              #21

                              Typical German. You should just ask her.

                              I was only joking

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                              • jon-nycJ Offline
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                                jon-nyc
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                                #22

                                Yes you are right, Klaus

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                • KlausK Offline
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                                  Klaus
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #23

                                  It's a pretty neat puzzle.

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