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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
    wrote on last edited by
    #13

    This one took me a little while.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • KlausK Offline
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      Klaus
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      #14

      OK, let's see.

      Since there are at most 20 people anyone can shake hands with, the different numbers of the other 21 partygoers must be the numbers from 0 to 20...

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      • KlausK Offline
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        Klaus
        wrote on last edited by Klaus
        #15

        What I don't understand is how Ms. Klaus plays any designated role in your puzzle that would allow me to distinguish her from anyone else.

        Let's say we name the other 21 persons p-0 to p-20, whereby p-0 shook 0 hands, p-1 shook 1 hands etc.

        Ms. Klaus could be any p-i without raising a contradiction.

        So, let's say Ms. Klaus is p-7 and shook hands with 7 other people. If the puzzle is well-designed, that should lead to some kind of contradiction. But I don't see a contradiction.

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        • KlausK Offline
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          Klaus
          wrote on last edited by Klaus
          #16

          Hm, wait a minute.

          The guy with the 20 handshakes, p-20 must have shaken Ms. Klaus hand because he shook everyone's hand except his own partner's.

          So Ms. Klaus cannot be p-0. And p-20's partner must be p-0, by the same argument.

          Presumably this is the base case of some kind of inductive argument...

          But on the other hand, what prevents Ms. Klaus from being p-20? Hmm...

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          • KlausK Offline
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            Klaus
            wrote on last edited by Klaus
            #17

            Ah, I think I got it.

            p-20 must have shaken my hand and hence cannot be Ms. Klaus.
            p-20's partner must have been p-0, who can hence also not be Ms. Klaus.

            p-19 must have shaken my hand, too, because he didn't shake p-0's hand, hence p-19 cannot be Ms. Klaus either.
            By the same argument as above, p-19's partner is p-1, who also cannot be Ms. Klaus.

            If we continue in the same way until p-11 and p-9, we see that the only number that is left is p-10.

            Ms. Klaus shook 10 hands.

            Correct?

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            • jon-nycJ Offline
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              jon-nyc
              wrote on last edited by
              #18

              No, your first statement is not correct.

              Hint - first find out how many hands you shook.

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • KlausK Offline
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                Klaus
                wrote on last edited by Klaus
                #19

                Oh, I see. I think my solution is still correct.

                p-20 must be married to p-0, ..., p-11 must be married to p-9.

                Hence my wife can't be any of p-0,...,p-9 or p-11 to p-20, because I'm not among the ones they are married to.

                That leaves only the p-10 spot for her.

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                • KlausK Offline
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                  Klaus
                  wrote on last edited by Klaus
                  #20

                  Here's the full solution.

                  p-0 : {}
                  p-1 : {p-20}
                  p-2 : {p-19,p-20}
                  ...
                  p-9 : {p-12,....,p-20}
                  p-10 = Ms. Klaus : {p-11,...,p-20}
                  p-11 : {Mr. Klaus, Ms. Klaus, p-12, ..., p-20}
                  p-12 : {Mr. Klaus, Ms. Klaus, p-9, p-11, p-13, ..., p-20}
                  p-13 : {Mr. Klaus, Ms. Klaus, p-8, p-9, p-11,p-12, p-14, ..., p-20}
                  ...
                  p-20: {Mr. Klaus, Ms. Klaus, p-1, .., p-9, p-11,...,p-19}
                  Mr. Klaus: {p-11,...,p-20}

                  Is this not correct?

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                    Doctor Phibes
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                    #21

                    Typical German. You should just ask her.

                    I was only joking

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                    • jon-nycJ Offline
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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #22

                      Yes you are right, Klaus

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      • KlausK Offline
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                        Klaus
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #23

                        It's a pretty neat puzzle.

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