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  • KlausK Offline
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    Klaus
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    #6

    Also, does a person shake his own hand (since we can safely assume that everone knows him- or herself)?

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    • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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      #7

      Are these all university couples? If so, it would probably be quite hard for them to shake their own hands since they'll be so busy patting themselves on the back 😀

      I was only joking

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      • jon-nycJ Online
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        jon-nyc
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        #8

        Klaus - they don’t shake their own hand or that of their pairing.

        They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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        • MikM Mik

          Zero. Klaus played piano after which she was shunned.

          kluursK Offline
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          kluurs
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          #9

          @Mik said in Puzzle time:

          Zero. Klaus played piano after which she was shunned.

          Klaus expressed the desire for "she" to be used as his her preferred pronoun? Makes sense, I just wanted to confirm.

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          • 89th8 Offline
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            #10

            I think 20 must be too obvious, so if we take the "and got a difference answer every time" key phrase, that means even individuals WITHIN a couple have difference answers, which means we need to find all the various valid combos out there...leaving Mrs. Klaus shaking 10 hands.

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            • markM Offline
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              mark
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              #11

              It doesn't matter. They will all be dead from corona virus in a few weeks. 🌡🤒

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              • jon-nycJ Online
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                jon-nyc
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                #12

                Can’t just throw out a number, you have to say why

                They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                • jon-nycJ Online
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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #13

                  This one took me a little while.

                  They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                  • KlausK Offline
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                    #14

                    OK, let's see.

                    Since there are at most 20 people anyone can shake hands with, the different numbers of the other 21 partygoers must be the numbers from 0 to 20...

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                    • KlausK Offline
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                      Klaus
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                      #15

                      What I don't understand is how Ms. Klaus plays any designated role in your puzzle that would allow me to distinguish her from anyone else.

                      Let's say we name the other 21 persons p-0 to p-20, whereby p-0 shook 0 hands, p-1 shook 1 hands etc.

                      Ms. Klaus could be any p-i without raising a contradiction.

                      So, let's say Ms. Klaus is p-7 and shook hands with 7 other people. If the puzzle is well-designed, that should lead to some kind of contradiction. But I don't see a contradiction.

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                      • KlausK Offline
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                        Klaus
                        wrote on last edited by Klaus
                        #16

                        Hm, wait a minute.

                        The guy with the 20 handshakes, p-20 must have shaken Ms. Klaus hand because he shook everyone's hand except his own partner's.

                        So Ms. Klaus cannot be p-0. And p-20's partner must be p-0, by the same argument.

                        Presumably this is the base case of some kind of inductive argument...

                        But on the other hand, what prevents Ms. Klaus from being p-20? Hmm...

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                        • KlausK Offline
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                          Klaus
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                          #17

                          Ah, I think I got it.

                          p-20 must have shaken my hand and hence cannot be Ms. Klaus.
                          p-20's partner must have been p-0, who can hence also not be Ms. Klaus.

                          p-19 must have shaken my hand, too, because he didn't shake p-0's hand, hence p-19 cannot be Ms. Klaus either.
                          By the same argument as above, p-19's partner is p-1, who also cannot be Ms. Klaus.

                          If we continue in the same way until p-11 and p-9, we see that the only number that is left is p-10.

                          Ms. Klaus shook 10 hands.

                          Correct?

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                          • jon-nycJ Online
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                            jon-nyc
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                            #18

                            No, your first statement is not correct.

                            Hint - first find out how many hands you shook.

                            They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                            • KlausK Offline
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                              Klaus
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                              #19

                              Oh, I see. I think my solution is still correct.

                              p-20 must be married to p-0, ..., p-11 must be married to p-9.

                              Hence my wife can't be any of p-0,...,p-9 or p-11 to p-20, because I'm not among the ones they are married to.

                              That leaves only the p-10 spot for her.

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                              • KlausK Offline
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                                Klaus
                                wrote on last edited by Klaus
                                #20

                                Here's the full solution.

                                p-0 : {}
                                p-1 : {p-20}
                                p-2 : {p-19,p-20}
                                ...
                                p-9 : {p-12,....,p-20}
                                p-10 = Ms. Klaus : {p-11,...,p-20}
                                p-11 : {Mr. Klaus, Ms. Klaus, p-12, ..., p-20}
                                p-12 : {Mr. Klaus, Ms. Klaus, p-9, p-11, p-13, ..., p-20}
                                p-13 : {Mr. Klaus, Ms. Klaus, p-8, p-9, p-11,p-12, p-14, ..., p-20}
                                ...
                                p-20: {Mr. Klaus, Ms. Klaus, p-1, .., p-9, p-11,...,p-19}
                                Mr. Klaus: {p-11,...,p-20}

                                Is this not correct?

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                                • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                                  Doctor Phibes
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                                  #21

                                  Typical German. You should just ask her.

                                  I was only joking

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                                  • jon-nycJ Online
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                                    jon-nyc
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                                    #22

                                    Yes you are right, Klaus

                                    They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                                      Klaus
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #23

                                      It's a pretty neat puzzle.

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