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The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.

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    Mik
    wrote on 16 May 2025, 17:55 last edited by
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    Medicaid already pays providers pretty much nothing. Not sure where they could cut. All they could do without a revolution is to change the nature of the program to block grants, which I think are already part of it. We're never going to get out of the hole without cuts AND tax increases.

    "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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      jon-nyc
      wrote on 17 May 2025, 05:33 last edited by
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      US gets its debt downgraded.

      https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/moodys-downgrades-us-aa1-rating-2025-05-16/

      Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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        Horace
        wrote on 18 May 2025, 18:25 last edited by
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        Reasonable, but also reasonable to sniff a political motivation. Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?

        Education is extremely important.

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          18 May 2025, 18:25

          Reasonable, but also reasonable to sniff a political motivation. Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?

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          Axtremus
          wrote on 18 May 2025, 20:51 last edited by
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          @Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

          Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?

          Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?

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            18 May 2025, 20:51

            @Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

            Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?

            Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?

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            LuFins Dad
            wrote on 18 May 2025, 20:54 last edited by
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            @Axtremus said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

            @Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

            Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?

            Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?

            Well, her entire career she has ran slightly to the left of Bernie, so yeah, probably.

            The Brad

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              18 May 2025, 20:54

              @Axtremus said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

              @Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

              Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?

              Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?

              Well, her entire career she has ran slightly to the left of Bernie, so yeah, probably.

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              Axtremus
              wrote on 18 May 2025, 21:01 last edited by
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              @LuFins-Dad said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

              @Axtremus said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

              @Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

              Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?

              Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?

              Well, her entire career she has ran slightly to the left of Bernie, so yeah, probably.

              Ha, now I question whether you actually believe what you wrote.

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                18 May 2025, 21:01

                @LuFins-Dad said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

                @Axtremus said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

                @Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

                Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?

                Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?

                Well, her entire career she has ran slightly to the left of Bernie, so yeah, probably.

                Ha, now I question whether you actually believe what you wrote.

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                LuFins Dad
                wrote on 18 May 2025, 21:44 last edited by
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                @Axtremus said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

                @LuFins-Dad said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

                @Axtremus said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

                @Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

                Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?

                Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?

                Well, her entire career she has ran slightly to the left of Bernie, so yeah, probably.

                Ha, now I question whether you actually believe what you wrote.

                Good point. I actually believe she would be napping the afternoons away after her three Bloody Mary breakfasts and her handlers would be instituting the tariffs.

                The Brad

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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on 18 May 2025, 22:58 last edited by
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                  The last downgrade was during the Obama administration

                  Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on 19 May 2025, 19:08 last edited by
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                    What a fucking clown.

                    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                      89th
                      wrote on 19 May 2025, 19:38 last edited by
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                      Even in the minor details she is lying. "The economic council (of whatever) said this will save $1.6 trillion. That's the most ever... The next bill that has come close is $800 billion, which is less than half that of $1.6 trillion"

                      No, it is not less than half. It is exactly half.

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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on 19 May 2025, 19:39 last edited by
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                        Even her lies are lies.

                        Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                          89th
                          wrote on 19 May 2025, 19:41 last edited by
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                          Hahaha well said.

                          BTW for anyone keeping score, the estimate is this bill will, over the next 10 years, add between $3.8 to $5.3 trillion to the deficit.

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                            89th
                            wrote on 19 May 2025, 19:43 last edited by
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                            Oh and the "Council of Economic Advisers"... not a 3rd party independent audit firm. It's a group of people Trump hired over the last few months to basically nod their heads to him.

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                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on 19 May 2025, 19:48 last edited by
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                              Rand Paul is having none of it.

                              Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on 20 May 2025, 00:07 last edited by
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                                Did he lose 4 GOP senators?

                                Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote on 20 May 2025, 00:23 last edited by jon-nyc
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                                  "This tax bill's enormity is being underplayed," Manhattan Institute's Jessica Riedl says. "This tax bill will cost more than the 2017 tax cuts, the CARES Act, Biden's stimulus, and the Inflation Reduction Act combined.

                                  Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote on 22 May 2025, 01:35 last edited by
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                                    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                      17 May 2025, 05:33

                                      US gets its debt downgraded.

                                      https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/moodys-downgrades-us-aa1-rating-2025-05-16/

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                                      Axtremus
                                      wrote on 22 May 2025, 12:35 last edited by
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                                      @jon-nyc said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

                                      US gets its debt downgraded.

                                      https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/moodys-downgrades-us-aa1-rating-2025-05-16/

                                      House GOP whistled past the downgrade and passed the Big Beautiful Bill anyway.

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                                        89th
                                        wrote on 22 May 2025, 13:38 last edited by
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                                          jon-nyc
                                          wrote on 22 May 2025, 14:20 last edited by
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                                          Main Street will get tariffs at least.

                                          Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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