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The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.

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  • H Horace
    18 May 2025, 18:25

    Reasonable, but also reasonable to sniff a political motivation. Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?

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    Axtremus
    wrote on 18 May 2025, 20:51 last edited by
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    @Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

    Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?

    Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?

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    • A Axtremus
      18 May 2025, 20:51

      @Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

      Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?

      Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?

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      LuFins Dad
      wrote on 18 May 2025, 20:54 last edited by
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      @Axtremus said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

      @Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

      Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?

      Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?

      Well, her entire career she has ran slightly to the left of Bernie, so yeah, probably.

      The Brad

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      • L LuFins Dad
        18 May 2025, 20:54

        @Axtremus said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

        @Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

        Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?

        Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?

        Well, her entire career she has ran slightly to the left of Bernie, so yeah, probably.

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        Axtremus
        wrote on 18 May 2025, 21:01 last edited by
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        @LuFins-Dad said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

        @Axtremus said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

        @Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

        Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?

        Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?

        Well, her entire career she has ran slightly to the left of Bernie, so yeah, probably.

        Ha, now I question whether you actually believe what you wrote.

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        • A Axtremus
          18 May 2025, 21:01

          @LuFins-Dad said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

          @Axtremus said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

          @Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

          Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?

          Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?

          Well, her entire career she has ran slightly to the left of Bernie, so yeah, probably.

          Ha, now I question whether you actually believe what you wrote.

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          LuFins Dad
          wrote on 18 May 2025, 21:44 last edited by
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          @Axtremus said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

          @LuFins-Dad said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

          @Axtremus said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

          @Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

          Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?

          Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?

          Well, her entire career she has ran slightly to the left of Bernie, so yeah, probably.

          Ha, now I question whether you actually believe what you wrote.

          Good point. I actually believe she would be napping the afternoons away after her three Bloody Mary breakfasts and her handlers would be instituting the tariffs.

          The Brad

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            jon-nyc
            wrote on 18 May 2025, 22:58 last edited by
            #12

            The last downgrade was during the Obama administration

            Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on 19 May 2025, 19:08 last edited by
              #13

              What a fucking clown.

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                89th
                wrote on 19 May 2025, 19:38 last edited by
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                Even in the minor details she is lying. "The economic council (of whatever) said this will save $1.6 trillion. That's the most ever... The next bill that has come close is $800 billion, which is less than half that of $1.6 trillion"

                No, it is not less than half. It is exactly half.

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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on 19 May 2025, 19:39 last edited by
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                  Even her lies are lies.

                  Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                    89th
                    wrote on 19 May 2025, 19:41 last edited by
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                    Hahaha well said.

                    BTW for anyone keeping score, the estimate is this bill will, over the next 10 years, add between $3.8 to $5.3 trillion to the deficit.

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                      89th
                      wrote on 19 May 2025, 19:43 last edited by
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                      Oh and the "Council of Economic Advisers"... not a 3rd party independent audit firm. It's a group of people Trump hired over the last few months to basically nod their heads to him.

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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on 19 May 2025, 19:48 last edited by
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                        Rand Paul is having none of it.

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                          jon-nyc
                          wrote on 20 May 2025, 00:07 last edited by
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                          Did he lose 4 GOP senators?

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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on 20 May 2025, 00:23 last edited by jon-nyc
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                            "This tax bill's enormity is being underplayed," Manhattan Institute's Jessica Riedl says. "This tax bill will cost more than the 2017 tax cuts, the CARES Act, Biden's stimulus, and the Inflation Reduction Act combined.

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                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on 22 May 2025, 01:35 last edited by
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                              Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                              • J jon-nyc
                                17 May 2025, 05:33

                                US gets its debt downgraded.

                                https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/moodys-downgrades-us-aa1-rating-2025-05-16/

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                                Axtremus
                                wrote on 22 May 2025, 12:35 last edited by
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                                @jon-nyc said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

                                US gets its debt downgraded.

                                https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/moodys-downgrades-us-aa1-rating-2025-05-16/

                                House GOP whistled past the downgrade and passed the Big Beautiful Bill anyway.

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                                  89th
                                  wrote on 22 May 2025, 13:38 last edited by
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                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote on 22 May 2025, 14:20 last edited by
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                                    Main Street will get tariffs at least.

                                    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                      22 May 2025, 13:38

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                                      LuFins Dad
                                      wrote on 22 May 2025, 18:53 last edited by
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                                      @89th said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

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                                      I’d be curious to see their work…

                                      The Brad

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                                        jon-nyc
                                        wrote on 22 May 2025, 19:10 last edited by
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                                          jon-nyc
                                          wrote on 23 May 2025, 12:03 last edited by jon-nyc
                                          #27

                                          There are jokes going around bond markets about Big Beautiful Bill.

                                          BBB is the lowest credit rating you can have before junk status.

                                          Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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