The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.
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House GOP has a half dozen or so folks that won’t support significant Medicaid cuts (eg Valdao in Bakersfield with 25% of his district on Medicaid, Lawler and Van Drew around here) and a half dozen or so folks that won’t vote for a bill that doesn’t have a lot of cuts (Roy, etc).
Johnson seems to have moved toward the moderates on this one over the last few weeks, not least because he knows the senate will take the cuts out and so guys like Valadao and Lawler would be taking performative votes that could haunt them in 26.
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Medicaid already pays providers pretty much nothing. Not sure where they could cut. All they could do without a revolution is to change the nature of the program to block grants, which I think are already part of it. We're never going to get out of the hole without cuts AND tax increases.
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Reasonable, but also reasonable to sniff a political motivation. Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?
@Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?
Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?
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@Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?
Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?
@Axtremus said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
@Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?
Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?
Well, her entire career she has ran slightly to the left of Bernie, so yeah, probably.
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@Axtremus said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
@Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?
Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?
Well, her entire career she has ran slightly to the left of Bernie, so yeah, probably.
@LuFins-Dad said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
@Axtremus said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
@Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?
Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?
Well, her entire career she has ran slightly to the left of Bernie, so yeah, probably.
Ha, now I question whether you actually believe what you wrote.
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@LuFins-Dad said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
@Axtremus said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
@Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?
Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?
Well, her entire career she has ran slightly to the left of Bernie, so yeah, probably.
Ha, now I question whether you actually believe what you wrote.
@Axtremus said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
@LuFins-Dad said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
@Axtremus said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
@Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?
Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?
Well, her entire career she has ran slightly to the left of Bernie, so yeah, probably.
Ha, now I question whether you actually believe what you wrote.
Good point. I actually believe she would be napping the afternoons away after her three Bloody Mary breakfasts and her handlers would be instituting the tariffs.
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Even in the minor details she is lying. "The economic council (of whatever) said this will save $1.6 trillion. That's the most ever... The next bill that has come close is $800 billion, which is less than half that of $1.6 trillion"
No, it is not less than half. It is exactly half.
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US gets its debt downgraded.
https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/moodys-downgrades-us-aa1-rating-2025-05-16/
@jon-nyc said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:
US gets its debt downgraded.
https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/moodys-downgrades-us-aa1-rating-2025-05-16/
House GOP whistled past the downgrade and passed the Big Beautiful Bill anyway.
