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The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.

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  • MikM Offline
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    Medicaid already pays providers pretty much nothing. Not sure where they could cut. All they could do without a revolution is to change the nature of the program to block grants, which I think are already part of it. We're never going to get out of the hole without cuts AND tax increases.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      US gets its debt downgraded.

      https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/moodys-downgrades-us-aa1-rating-2025-05-16/

      Only non-witches get due process.

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        Reasonable, but also reasonable to sniff a political motivation. Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?

        Education is extremely important.

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          Reasonable, but also reasonable to sniff a political motivation. Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?

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          Axtremus
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          @Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

          Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?

          Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?

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          • AxtremusA Axtremus

            @Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

            Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?

            Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?

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            @Axtremus said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

            @Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

            Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?

            Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?

            Well, her entire career she has ran slightly to the left of Bernie, so yeah, probably.

            The Brad

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            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

              @Axtremus said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

              @Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

              Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?

              Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?

              Well, her entire career she has ran slightly to the left of Bernie, so yeah, probably.

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              @LuFins-Dad said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

              @Axtremus said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

              @Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

              Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?

              Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?

              Well, her entire career she has ran slightly to the left of Bernie, so yeah, probably.

              Ha, now I question whether you actually believe what you wrote.

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              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                @LuFins-Dad said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

                @Axtremus said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

                @Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

                Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?

                Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?

                Well, her entire career she has ran slightly to the left of Bernie, so yeah, probably.

                Ha, now I question whether you actually believe what you wrote.

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                @Axtremus said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

                @LuFins-Dad said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

                @Axtremus said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

                @Horace said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

                Would they have made this decision if Harris had been elected? Would they have had substantially different data, in that case, to base this decision on?

                Would Harris have made similar decisions regarding tariffs?

                Well, her entire career she has ran slightly to the left of Bernie, so yeah, probably.

                Ha, now I question whether you actually believe what you wrote.

                Good point. I actually believe she would be napping the afternoons away after her three Bloody Mary breakfasts and her handlers would be instituting the tariffs.

                The Brad

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                • jon-nycJ Online
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                  The last downgrade was during the Obama administration

                  Only non-witches get due process.

                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    What a fucking clown.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                      Even in the minor details she is lying. "The economic council (of whatever) said this will save $1.6 trillion. That's the most ever... The next bill that has come close is $800 billion, which is less than half that of $1.6 trillion"

                      No, it is not less than half. It is exactly half.

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                        Even her lies are lies.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                          Hahaha well said.

                          BTW for anyone keeping score, the estimate is this bill will, over the next 10 years, add between $3.8 to $5.3 trillion to the deficit.

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                            Oh and the "Council of Economic Advisers"... not a 3rd party independent audit firm. It's a group of people Trump hired over the last few months to basically nod their heads to him.

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                              Rand Paul is having none of it.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

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                                Did he lose 4 GOP senators?

                                Only non-witches get due process.

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                                  "This tax bill's enormity is being underplayed," Manhattan Institute's Jessica Riedl says. "This tax bill will cost more than the 2017 tax cuts, the CARES Act, Biden's stimulus, and the Inflation Reduction Act combined.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      US gets its debt downgraded.

                                      https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/moodys-downgrades-us-aa1-rating-2025-05-16/

                                      AxtremusA Away
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                                      @jon-nyc said in The Big Beautiful Bill needs its own thread.:

                                      US gets its debt downgraded.

                                      https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/moodys-downgrades-us-aa1-rating-2025-05-16/

                                      House GOP whistled past the downgrade and passed the Big Beautiful Bill anyway.

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                                          Main Street will get tariffs at least.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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