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  • MikM Away
    MikM Away
    Mik
    wrote last edited by
    #1138

    Should have been done 2001-2008.

    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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    • Tom-KT Tom-K

      We are forgetting that the reason all of this is happening is to keep Iran from becoming a nuclear threat. Now, if that was really going to happen, I haven't a clue. (And no one is even coming close to telling the truth about it.) But if it actually was than this closing of the Strait of Hormuz is just a blip.

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      #1139

      @Tom-K said:

      We are forgetting that the reason all of this is happening is to keep Iran from becoming a nuclear threat. Now, if that was really going to happen, I haven't a clue. (And no one is even coming close to telling the truth about it.) But if it actually was than this closing of the Strait of Hormuz is just a blip.

      It's not clear we've done much about that other than delay it and make them even more determined. Solving that problem requires true regime change (you have to kill the king, not wound him). Trump clearly thought they'd do that, announced that as his goal even on the first day of the attacks. The problem is Trump doesn't seem to be wiling to pay the price required to do it, at least once he found out it wasn't going to come cheap.

      Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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      • Tom-KT Tom-K

        We are forgetting that the reason all of this is happening is to keep Iran from becoming a nuclear threat. Now, if that was really going to happen, I haven't a clue. (And no one is even coming close to telling the truth about it.) But if it actually was than this closing of the Strait of Hormuz is just a blip.

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        #1140

        @Tom-K said:

        Now, if that was really going to happen, I haven't a clue. (And no one is even coming close to telling the truth about it.)

        I'm confident it was happening. I think people misunderstand when Trump or Bibi say 'they were 2 weeks away from a bomb'. That doesn't mean they would have had a bomb in mid-march had we not attacked 2/28. It means they have enough enriched uranium at 60% that, whenever they made the decision to do so, they could further enrich it to 90% in two weeks time. (or however many weeks it was). I think that was generally true and had been for some time, and may still be true. Whatever damage the GBU-57 MOPs did last June, it didn't take out all their stockpiles.

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          bachophile
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          #1141

          either way, alot of people here feel we r really fucked.

          unless he really does manage to talk the iranians into handing over the enriched unranium

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          • jon-nycJ Offline
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            #1142

            Iran is setting conditions to even start negotiations.

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              #1143

              Those ‘blocked assets’ are well over $100B. According to him Trump agreed to this as a condition of the cease fire.

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                Probably Trump trying to make it look like $100B doesn’t phase him.

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                  Heard an interesting take on the Conflicted podcast by a former Al Qaeda jihadist turned MI6 spy. He said Pakistan was up to mischief in softening the US demands when passing them to Iran, and significantly softening the Iranian demands when passing them to the US.

                  That would explain the apparent confusion between what the administration says it accepted as the basis for ceasefire negotiations and what the Iranians published (the 10 point list). I just wish the administration would publish the 10 point list it received from the Pakis*.

                  (*that's for you, Phebes)

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                  • MikM Away
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                    Mik
                    wrote last edited by
                    #1146

                    Aw, man, the pakis wouldn't lie, right? RIGHT?

                    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                    • jon-nycJ Offline
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                      I assume this is a product of Pakistani mischief.

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