The Iran War (was Nuclear Program) thread
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Yup.
If all you need is 4% enriched uranium for power plants, why do the Iranians, while also vowing to kill Americans, enrich their uranium in deep secretive bunkers to 60% and more? While also developing long range missile capabilities.It's a no brainer.
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We are forgetting that the reason all of this is happening is to keep Iran from becoming a nuclear threat. Now, if that was really going to happen, I haven't a clue. (And no one is even coming close to telling the truth about it.) But if it actually was than this closing of the Strait of Hormuz is just a blip.
We are forgetting that the reason all of this is happening is to keep Iran from becoming a nuclear threat. Now, if that was really going to happen, I haven't a clue. (And no one is even coming close to telling the truth about it.) But if it actually was than this closing of the Strait of Hormuz is just a blip.
It's not clear we've done much about that other than delay it and make them even more determined. Solving that problem requires true regime change (you have to kill the king, not wound him). Trump clearly thought they'd do that, announced that as his goal even on the first day of the attacks. The problem is Trump doesn't seem to be wiling to pay the price required to do it, at least once he found out it wasn't going to come cheap.
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We are forgetting that the reason all of this is happening is to keep Iran from becoming a nuclear threat. Now, if that was really going to happen, I haven't a clue. (And no one is even coming close to telling the truth about it.) But if it actually was than this closing of the Strait of Hormuz is just a blip.
Now, if that was really going to happen, I haven't a clue. (And no one is even coming close to telling the truth about it.)
I'm confident it was happening. I think people misunderstand when Trump or Bibi say 'they were 2 weeks away from a bomb'. That doesn't mean they would have had a bomb in mid-march had we not attacked 2/28. It means they have enough enriched uranium at 60% that, whenever they made the decision to do so, they could further enrich it to 90% in two weeks time. (or however many weeks it was). I think that was generally true and had been for some time, and may still be true. Whatever damage the GBU-57 MOPs did last June, it didn't take out all their stockpiles.
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either way, alot of people here feel we r really fucked.
unless he really does manage to talk the iranians into handing over the enriched unranium
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Heard an interesting take on the Conflicted podcast by a former Al Qaeda jihadist turned MI6 spy. He said Pakistan was up to mischief in softening the US demands when passing them to Iran, and significantly softening the Iranian demands when passing them to the US.
That would explain the apparent confusion between what the administration says it accepted as the basis for ceasefire negotiations and what the Iranians published (the 10 point list). I just wish the administration would publish the 10 point list it received from the Pakis*.
(*that's for you, Phebes)
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either way, alot of people here feel we r really fucked.
unless he really does manage to talk the iranians into handing over the enriched unranium
either way, alot of people here feel we r really fucked.
unless he really does manage to talk the iranians into handing over the enriched unranium
If the Iranian nuclear threat isn't ended there is no reason for any of this to have happened. The Houthis are bad actors as well as Hezbollah and all the other things Iran has a hand in but those problems most likely could be handled piecemeal locally. The nuclear bomb could be a major problem for Israel and the world for a long long time if not taken care of.
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Naval Blockade.
Interesting tactic.
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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So, there you have it, the meeting went well, most points were agreed to, but the only point that really mattered, NUCLEAR, was not. Effective immediately, the United States Navy, the Finest in the World, will begin the process of BLOCKADING any and all Ships trying to enter, or leave, the Strait of Hormuz. At some point, we will reach an “ALL BEING ALLOWED TO GO IN, ALL BEING ALLOWED TO GO OUT” basis, but Iran has not allowed that to happen by merely saying, “There may be a mine out there somewhere,” that nobody knows about but them. THIS IS WORLD EXTORTION, and Leaders of Countries, especially the United States of America, will never be extorted. I have also instructed our Navy to seek and interdict every vessel in International Waters that has paid a toll to Iran. No one who pays an illegal toll will have safe passage on the high seas. We will also begin destroying the mines the Iranians laid in the Straits. Any Iranian who fires at us, or at peaceful vessels, will be BLOWN TO HELL! Iran knows, better than anyone, how to END this situation which has already devastated their Country. Their Navy is gone, their Air Force is gone, their Anti Aircraft and Radar are useless, Khomeini, and most of their “Leaders,” are dead, all because of their Nuclear ambition. The Blockade will begin shortly. Other Countries will be involved with this Blockade. Iran will not be allowed to profit off this Illegal Act of EXTORTION. They want money and, more importantly, they want Nuclear. Additionally and, at an appropriate moment, we are fully “LOCKED AND LOADED,” and our Military will finish up the little that is left of Iran! President DONALD J. TRUMP -
I hope they gamed it out well and have a plan for what they’ll do if a Russian or Chinese naval vessel tries to escort a tanker out.
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First, Putin's Russia benefits from higher oil prices and relaxed sanctions on Russian oil, now China's renewable energy business gets a boost.
The commies are winning.
Now the war with Iran has laid bare the risks of reliance on Middle Eastern oil and gas. Countries are realizing that all paths to renewable power run through China and its exporters.
Even if a cease-fire between the United States and Iran helps ease disruptions in the Strait of Hormuz, the shock has already grabbed the attention of governments worldwide. Faced with energy shortages, they are accelerating efforts to upgrade their power grids, bringing them to the doorstep of Chinese companies eager to supply them.
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