Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?
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wrote on 11 Mar 2025, 19:44 last edited by
Federal outlays grew 7% in February compared to last year and the deficit grew 5%.
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wrote on 14 Mar 2025, 00:33 last edited by
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wrote on 14 Mar 2025, 02:27 last edited by
Pretty much anytime Trump says a number, divide it by a number from 3 to 8.
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wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 13:45 last edited by jon-nyc
Surely this is willful. He knows he lying by now.
Elon Musk: "Government waste and fraud is so high that it's causing a $2 trillion annual deficit. So that's 2,000 billion dollars of waste -- waste and fraud -- that's happening.
Surely he knows the deficit is caused mainly by funding things Americans want (SSA, health care, defense) without collecting enough taxes to pay for it. If he hasn’t figured that out yet, god help us.
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wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 14:02 last edited by
Well, hot damn and hallelujah!!
I want all kinds of stuff I can't pay for! Now I know I can spend money I don't have and buy whatever I want.
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wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 14:02 last edited by
And why would you ‘know’ that?
Seems like a huge non sequitur.
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wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 14:05 last edited by
No, it's just common sense.
One shouldn't spend money A) you don't have, and B) you cannot pay back.
No matter how badly you want ______.
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wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 14:07 last edited by jon-nyc
That is common sense.
But I still don’t understand your post as a response to mine. In what sense was I implying otherwise? Just because I called Elon out for his obvious lie doesn’t mean I think the current trajectory is sustainable. The world contains expenditures that are neither fraudulent, wasteful, or affordable.
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wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 14:13 last edited by
Because Elon is right. We're $2T in the hole. That's abuse, pure and simple. We're digging a hole where debt payment is going to swallow a massive portion of the budget and truly needed programs will be curtailed or ended.
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wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 14:35 last edited by
He didn’t say ‘we have a 2T deficit’. That would have been a factual albeit banal observation. He said we have 2T of waste and fraud. He knows otherwise.
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wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 18:20 last edited by
If it's in the red, it's waste, fraud or both.
Unless you wish to not equate incompetence with waste.
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If it's in the red, it's waste, fraud or both.
Unless you wish to not equate incompetence with waste.
wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 18:57 last edited by@Jolly said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:
If it's in the red, it's waste, fraud or both.
Either that or it's submerged under a couple of gallons of Kool-Aid.
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@Jolly said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:
If it's in the red, it's waste, fraud or both.
Either that or it's submerged under a couple of gallons of Kool-Aid.
wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 19:04 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:
@Jolly said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:
If it's in the red, it's waste, fraud or both.
Either that or it's submerged under a couple of gallons of Kool-Aid.
OK, peanut.
You fix the problem. What's your solution?
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wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 20:05 last edited by jon-nyc
It isn’t by cutting waste and fraud. That won’t get you anywhere near where you need to be.
I’ve written often about (literally) the only way to fix it. A bipartisan sustained agreement where the pain is shared and both sides own the pain and continue to defend it regardless of who’s in office.
Yeah I don’t see that happening any time soon either.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:
@Jolly said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:
If it's in the red, it's waste, fraud or both.
Either that or it's submerged under a couple of gallons of Kool-Aid.
OK, peanut.
You fix the problem. What's your solution?
wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 20:20 last edited by Doctor Phibes@Jolly said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:
You fix the problem. What's your solution?
Stop being dishonest about fraud, and address the actual problem. And speak to the other side, and then maybe even listen to them.
A little bit of honesty about the situation would be great, from both parties.
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It isn’t by cutting waste and fraud. That won’t get you anywhere near where you need to be.
I’ve written often about (literally) the only way to fix it. A bipartisan sustained agreement where the pain is shared and both sides own the pain and continue to defend it regardless of who’s in office.
Yeah I don’t see that happening any time soon either.
wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 20:51 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:
It isn’t by cutting waste and fraud. That won’t get you anywhere near where you need to be.
I’ve written often about (literally) the only way to fix it. A bipartisan sustained agreement where the pain is shared and both sides own the pain and continue to defend it regardless of who’s in office.
Yeah I don’t see that happening any time soon either.
The only way I see it happening is if Trump gets his name on it, not a bad idea actually. Call the Trump Country Savior act or something and let it be set in stone for 20 years. It’ll slowly save the country and he’ll headline it!
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@Jolly said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:
You fix the problem. What's your solution?
Stop being dishonest about fraud, and address the actual problem. And speak to the other side, and then maybe even listen to them.
A little bit of honesty about the situation would be great, from both parties.
wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 20:54 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:
@Jolly said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:
You fix the problem. What's your solution?
Stop being dishonest about fraud, and address the actual problem. And speak to the other side, and then maybe even listen to them.
A little bit of honesty about the situation would be great, from both parties.
You couldn't get both sides to agree on free sex. Dream on.
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wrote on 20 Mar 2025, 00:15 last edited by
OK, let's just keep lying about how it's the government employees on the take, and security scroungers and dead Democrats. Find somebody to blame, and move on, in other words.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:
@Jolly said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:
You fix the problem. What's your solution?
Stop being dishonest about fraud, and address the actual problem. And speak to the other side, and then maybe even listen to them.
A little bit of honesty about the situation would be great, from both parties.
You couldn't get both sides to agree on free sex. Dream on.
wrote on 20 Mar 2025, 02:00 last edited by@Jolly said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:
@Jolly said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:
You fix the problem. What's your solution?
Stop being dishonest about fraud, and address the actual problem. And speak to the other side, and then maybe even listen to them.
A little bit of honesty about the situation would be great, from both parties.
You couldn't get both sides to agree on free sex. Dream on.
You could, but all the Dem women want to bring their strap-ons…
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wrote on 20 Mar 2025, 02:06 last edited by
Hoo-ah!