Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?

[jon-nyc]

Yet more amateur hour.

Perhaps it would have been better if they had inserted a lie here.

[Copper]

Good, sell 'em all.

I'm sure the dems will eventually buy them all back at twice the price.

[89th]

[jon-nyc]

lol

[jon-nyc]

Federal outlays grew 7% in February compared to last year and the deficit grew 5%.

[A Former User]

As good a place as any to put this.

https://reason.com/2025/03/05/contrary-to-what-trump-said-even-doge-does-not-claim-to-have-identified-hundreds-of-billions-in-fraud/?utm_campaign=reason_brand&utm_content=&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_term=image,meme

[89th]

Pretty much anytime Trump says a number, divide it by a number from 3 to 8.

[jon-nyc]

Surely this is willful. He knows he lying by now.

Elon Musk: "Government waste and fraud is so high that it's causing a $2 trillion annual deficit. So that's 2,000 billion dollars of waste -- waste and fraud -- that's happening.

Surely he knows the deficit is caused mainly by funding things Americans want (SSA, health care, defense) without collecting enough taxes to pay for it. If he hasn’t figured that out yet, god help us.

[Jolly]

Well, hot damn and hallelujah!!

I want all kinds of stuff I can't pay for! Now I know I can spend money I don't have and buy whatever I want.

[jon-nyc]

And why would you ‘know’ that?

Seems like a huge non sequitur.

[Jolly]

No, it's just common sense.

One shouldn't spend money A) you don't have, and B) you cannot pay back.

No matter how badly you want ______.

[jon-nyc]

That is common sense.

But I still don’t understand your post as a response to mine. In what sense was I implying otherwise? Just because I called Elon out for his obvious lie doesn’t mean I think the current trajectory is sustainable. The world contains expenditures that are neither fraudulent, wasteful, or affordable.

[Jolly]

Because Elon is right. We're $2T in the hole. That's abuse, pure and simple. We're digging a hole where debt payment is going to swallow a massive portion of the budget and truly needed programs will be curtailed or ended.

[jon-nyc]

He didn’t say ‘we have a 2T deficit’. That would have been a factual albeit banal observation. He said we have 2T of waste and fraud. He knows otherwise.

[Jolly]

If it's in the red, it's waste, fraud or both.

Unless you wish to not equate incompetence with waste.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Jolly said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:

If it's in the red, it's waste, fraud or both.

Either that or it's submerged under a couple of gallons of Kool-Aid.

[Jolly]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:

@Jolly said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:

If it's in the red, it's waste, fraud or both.

Either that or it's submerged under a couple of gallons of Kool-Aid.

OK, peanut.

You fix the problem. What's your solution?

[jon-nyc]

It isn’t by cutting waste and fraud. That won’t get you anywhere near where you need to be.

I’ve written often about (literally) the only way to fix it. A bipartisan sustained agreement where the pain is shared and both sides own the pain and continue to defend it regardless of who’s in office.

Yeah I don’t see that happening any time soon either.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Jolly said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:

You fix the problem. What's your solution?

Stop being dishonest about fraud, and address the actual problem. And speak to the other side, and then maybe even listen to them.

A little bit of honesty about the situation would be great, from both parties.

[89th]

@jon-nyc said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:

It isn’t by cutting waste and fraud. That won’t get you anywhere near where you need to be.

I’ve written often about (literally) the only way to fix it. A bipartisan sustained agreement where the pain is shared and both sides own the pain and continue to defend it regardless of who’s in office.

Yeah I don’t see that happening any time soon either.

The only way I see it happening is if Trump gets his name on it, not a bad idea actually. Call the Trump Country Savior act or something and let it be set in stone for 20 years. It’ll slowly save the country and he’ll headline it!